sure....and your point that Montana would only be a great QB in San Fran remains stupid....

The deal is this... as originally stated, guys like Elway and Favre are rare and you should cherish them while they're playing.

That could be spun around and asked back, could Elway have taken Joes teams to the big one?

uuuh, yeah

I don't why he couldn't... those teams were more talented at WR/TE/RB/DEF.

Uuuuh no. All 4(?), John couldve stepped right in and hit all those precision passes? Doubt that, Joe probably couldnt have done what Elway did with his teams. They each did it their own way.

Hmmm... John was a gun slinger, but that doesn't mean he wasn't precise.

You'd put him in the same category as Joe in that regard?

They were both great... if I were building a team, I'd take John over Joe for all the other things Elway brought to the game.

Agreed they were both something special i just cant commit to say "he couldve done this with that team" or whatever because 1. debates could go on forever :) 2. nobody really knows until they saw it happen. Maybe Joe wouldnt have been able to be the gunslinger John was with the Donks and maybe John couldnt have handled to finesse nature of that offense and turned into a turn over machine. Ya never know. My 2.

Seriously... Montana took over a KC team that had 20 wins the previous 2 seasons and won exactly 20 in his 2 seasons. Hell, Bono followed Joe and had 22 wins in 2 seasons.

Steve Bono > Joe Montana

(sarcasm) :-)

Both were a combine 147 y/o when they played for KC. :)

True. But, we did see what Joe did when he took over KC with what I think is fair to say... less talent than what he had in SF. Granted, he was older. Then, Shanahan changed the dynamics around Elway and they won a ton of games and 2 titles.

It's splitting hairs... there are QBs you debate (Aikman, Bradshaw, Namath, etc) and you can really have fun. Others, like Elway and Montana... well, you should just agree they're 2 of the best ever and few others can be mentioned in the same breath.

Oh and look at that... surpassed the 20k posts mark.

(and it was a post about Elway, how fitting)

Joe did lead us to the Champ game his first year after getting his elbow put back together but i get what your saying. Your last sentence says it all, i wouldnt bet against either.