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FringeNC 12-17-2008 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 5306282)
Do you thank spending decades wading through franchise QB contracts spent on, JaMarcus Russell, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Cutler, Alex Smith, Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Michael Vick, Chad Pennington, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Daunte Culpepper and Ryan Leaf is worth the chance to get the Manning brothers.
I'm probably in the minority, but I don't think franchise QBs are drafted so much as they are developed. How many Pro Bowl QBs has Mike Martz been associated with?

Some staffs realize the importance of having a top QB in the playoffs, and attempt to develop them; other staffs hope that it's all luck once you get to the playoffs, and have game managers.

SAUTO 12-17-2008 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 5306264)
I prescribe Hamas should be strapped to a chair with his eyes taped open. Not to be released until he has watched every Marvy Levy, John Mackovic, Paul Wiggin and Frank Ganz coached Chiefs game, back to back. Then, as a refresher, 3 years of Herm ****ing Edwards on FFWD.

10-6 will then seem like a cool evening breeze, after a hot summer day.
true that!!!

DaneMcCloud 12-17-2008 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 5306340)
I'm probably in the minority, but I don't think franchise QBs are drafted so much as they are developed. How many Pro Bowl QBs has Mike Martz been associated with?
Two? Marc Bulger and Kurt Warner.

Woo-hoo! He's a genius!

philfree 12-17-2008 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 5306272)
Oh, what the hell. Let's go ahead and draft Schuler in the first. Oh, I mean Mirer. I mean Klingler. I mean Harrington. No wait, I mean Carr. DOH! I meant Leaf! Or...

I will forever maintain that a high #1 pick on a QB is the riskiest pick there is. I have watched so many fail. If that's what we do, well, I'll cross my fingers and hope for the best, but I don't agree that it's the wisest plan of attack.
I agree with that but the payoff could be huge. Which is why teams take the risk win they have the chance.

PhilFree:arrow:

DeezNutz 12-17-2008 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 5306340)
I'm probably in the minority, but I don't think franchise QBs are drafted so much as they are developed. How many Pro Bowl QBs has Mike Martz been associated with?

Some staffs realize the importance of having a top QB in the playoffs, and attempt to develop them; other staffs hope that it's all luck once you get to the playoffs, and have game managers.
You're not really describing a franchise QB, then. In other words, do you think that there was a very good possibility that P. Manning, Elway, Marino, etc. would fail? That their superior talent wouldn't have ultimately won out?

Players like Green, Bulger, and Warner can be very nice system guys. These are players high-quality staffs can develop, and they're also players that can be ruined, completely.

We've had only system QB's in KC for the last, well, 20+ years. We need a franchise guy, and now we're drafting high enough that this *might* be a good opportunity to get one. Might.

DaneMcCloud 12-17-2008 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 5306340)
I'm probably in the minority, but I don't think franchise QBs are drafted so much as they are developed.
Great quarterbacks are GREAT regardless.

John Elway, Joe Montana, Brett Favre, Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, etc.

Sure, they make mistakes but no one needs to teach them the game or correct their mechanics or decision making skills.

If you draft a first round QB, he'd better be 90% "developed". Otherwise, you're wasting your time and the team's ability to compete.

Reerun_KC 12-17-2008 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5306196)
Goddammit.

It's finals week.

I need someone that has a better chance of being cured.
I am sick of finals! tonight is the last ****ing night!

SAUTO 12-17-2008 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5306355)
Great quarterbacks are GREAT regardless.

John Elway, Joe Montana, Brett Favre, Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, etc.

Sure, they make mistakes but no one needs to teach them the game or correct their mechanics or decision making skills.

If you draft a first round QB, he'd better be 90% "developed". Otherwise, you're wasting your time and the team's ability to compete.
dane do you see any this year? in your opinion

FringeNC 12-17-2008 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5306349)
You're not really describing a franchise QB, then. In other words, do you think that there was a very good possibility that P. Manning, Elway, Marino, etc. would fail? That their superior talent wouldn't have ultimately won out?

Players like Green, Bulger, and Warner can be very nice system guys. These are players high-quality staffs can develop, and they're also players that can be ruined, completely.

We've had only system QB's in KC for the last, well, 20+ years. We need a franchise guy, and now we're drafting high enough that this *might* be a good opportunity to get one. Might.
The numbers Warner put up were sick. It's all about being able to pass in the playoffs -- finding a QB who excels in the system you put him in. Sure, only a few QBs could excel in ALL, but a team only runs one system at a time.

ChiefsCountry 12-17-2008 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5306349)
We've had only system QB's in KC for the last, well, 20+ years. We need a franchise guy, and now we're drafting high enough that this *might* be a good opportunity to get one. Might.
Try over 35+ plus.

FringeNC 12-17-2008 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5306355)
Great quarterbacks are GREAT regardless.

John Elway, Joe Montana, Brett Favre, Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, etc.

Sure, they make mistakes but no one needs to teach them the game or correct their mechanics or decision making skills.

If you draft a first round QB, he'd better be 90% "developed". Otherwise, you're wasting your time and the team's ability to compete.
Is Kurt Warner not a great QB?

Reerun_KC 12-17-2008 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 5306264)
I prescribe Hamas should be strapped to a chair with his eyes taped open. Not to be released until he has watched every Marvy Levy, John Mackovic, Paul Wiggin and Frank Ganz coached Chiefs game, back to back. Then, as a refresher, 3 years of Herm ****ing Edwards on FFWD.

10-6 will then seem like a cool evening breeze, after a hot summer day.
Cool, but I think you should have to masturbate with a cheesegrader while watching everyone of Herms press conferences, you know just to help your fandom...

FringeNC 12-17-2008 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5306347)
Two? Marc Bulger and Kurt Warner.

Woo-hoo! He's a genius!
Trent Green.

ChiefsCountry 12-17-2008 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5306347)
Two? Marc Bulger and Kurt Warner.

Woo-hoo! He's a genius!
If you are putting Bulger in there, you better put Green in as well. Martz was his coach in Washington and St. Louis.

Baby Lee 12-17-2008 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5306349)
You're not really describing a franchise QB, then. In other words, do you think that there was a very good possibility that P. Manning, Elway, Marino, etc. would fail? That their superior talent wouldn't have ultimately won out?

Players like Green, Bulger, and Warner can be very nice system guys. These are players high-quality staffs can develop, and they're also players that can be ruined, completely.

We've had only system QB's in KC for the last, well, 20+ years. We need a franchise guy, and now we're drafting high enough that this *might* be a good opportunity to get one. Might.

Marino 'succeeded?' One rookie season SB loss [which per the Cowher rule doesn't count], and a career of playoff failure, culminating in the 50-0 playoff loss his final season.

Marino's the poster boy for RTFdom.


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