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Quesadilla Joe 07-26-2009 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5925755)
Then why didn't you say it that way?

Because I got mixed up with Rotoworlds posts. But Belichick already did have a deal in place before McDaniels got involved for Cassel.

LaChapelle 07-26-2009 08:42 AM

If Denver doesn't win the Super Bowl this year. It's ONLY because they ran out of games. Bump the season to 24-28 games and Denver holds the trophy every sports writer knows they deserve.

milkman 07-26-2009 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 5925757)
Peyton Manning didn't have a defense his first 4 or 5 years in the league, and he still led them to the playoffs every year. Cutler has had plenty of weapons in Denver, and didn't lead us anywhere. He is too reckless. Yeah, he can make some amazing plays, but he also makes some VERY DUMB throws that no QB in the league would throw.

Orton is a safety first QB. All of his scouting reports say that. Orton did have a good defense, but he had jack squat on offense. He showed that he can be a very good QB in this league before his ankle injury.

Since Dungy took over, the Colts lowest ranking in points allowed has been 23rd.

The Donks in the last two years, with Cutler have ranked 28th and 30th respectively.

See the difference?

milkman 07-26-2009 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 5925757)
Peyton Manning didn't have a defense his first 4 or 5 years in the league, and he still led them to the playoffs every year. Cutler has had plenty of weapons in Denver, and didn't lead us anywhere. He is too reckless. Yeah, he can make some amazing plays, but he also makes some VERY DUMB throws that no QB in the league would throw.

Orton is a safety first QB. All of his scouting reports say that. Orton did have a good defense, but he had jack squat on offense. He showed that he can be a very good QB in this league before his ankle injury.

Oh, and Manning and the Colts missed the playoffs twice in his first four seasons, and the Colts D finished 29th and 31st in points allowed in those two seasons.

The other two seasons in which they made the playoffs, the D ranked 17th and 15th in points allowed.

Quesadilla Joe 07-26-2009 09:08 AM

Hmmm... The two worst years the Colts defenses had were the two years that Peyton Manning had 28 and 23 Int's. I guess QB's throwing INT's in their own territory really does skew the stats eh.

milkman 07-26-2009 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 5925782)
Hmmm... The two worst years the Colts defenses had were the two years that Peyton Manning had 28 and 23 Int's. I guess QB's throwing INT's in their own territory really does skew the stats eh.

One could make that argument.

However, in both those seasons, the Colts finished 29th overall defensively, while finishing 15th and 21st overall in the two playoff seasons.

So no, that doesn't skew the stats.

beach tribe 07-26-2009 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 5925782)
Hmmm... The two worst years the Colts defenses had were the two years that Peyton Manning had 28 and 23 Int's. I guess QB's throwing INT's in their own territory really does skew the stats eh.

You just blew your own case. Manning threw the ints trying to do too much knowing he had to make up for a terrible defense and was frequently coming from behind.

beach tribe 07-26-2009 10:06 AM

I can't wait for this season. Cutler is going to tear it up. He's that good. Necbeard is going to blow balls trying to keep up with the other teams scoring at will.

BossChief 07-26-2009 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5925788)
One could make that argument.

However, in both those seasons, the Colts finished 29th overall defensively, while finishing 15th and 21st overall in the two playoff seasons.

So no, that doesn't skew the stats.

Thats right bud!

Give him a skim uppercut, then a right non fat...follow it up with a couple 2% jabs and go for the throat with the whole milk uppercut!

The guy says he chose his old username before they lost their three game division lead with three games to go...like that didnt happen in his rookie year too. Is he a 15 year old that didnt watch football then?

Thats the whole reason we made the playoffs in 06.

He was in a similar situation in 07, no?
The Broncos had a worse defense, personel wise, than the 03 Chiefs and this guy thinks all they have to do is change coordinators and all is well???

gimme a break!

beach tribe 07-26-2009 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 5925840)
Thats right bud!

Give him a skim uppercut, then a right non fat...follow it up with a couple 2% jabs and go for the throat with the whole milk uppercut!

The guy says he chose his old username before they lost their three game division lead with three games to go...like that didnt happen in his rookie year too. Is he a 15 year old that didnt watch football then?

Thats the whole reason we made the playoffs in 06.

He was in a similar situation in 07, no?
The Broncos had a worse defense, personel wise, than the 03 Chiefs and this guy thinks all they have to do is change coordinators and all is well???

gimme a break!

he's just a huge homer dude.

He's gonna be crying like a bitch this season, and I would not doubt if we don't hear the last of him before the season is over.
The fact is, his team was a few pieces away from being able to compete, and now they've lost the biggest piece of a SB puzzle. A franchise QB. They are going to give Ortin at least 2 yrs before they pull the plug, and Marshall will be gone by then, and they still have to find a QB.

Mcdaniels fuqed up and deep sown inside they all know it.

You Do Not trade a franchise QB in his prime fir anything. Well maybe a guy you know really well and think can be a franchise QB.....whoopsie

BossChief 07-26-2009 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 5925656)
McDaniels was just late to the negotiations. New England probably could have gotten more from a Denver trade. There were reports that New England would have gotten Tampa's first and second round picks, Denver would have gotten New England's first round pick, another pick, and Matt Cassel, and Tampa would have gotten Cutler.

After Cassel, Orton was the guy he wanted. He could have waited until draft day if he wasn't happy with the Orton deal. More than 10 teams wanted to get Jay Cutler, but he chose Chicago's deal because of Orton.

Since you love to speculate...

McD screwed BB and Pioli imho.

I think he was supposed to go as a four way deal with Pioli, Vrabel and Cassel so BBs long time friend could have his "nest egg" so he could have a good chance at success on his own.

Mcd screwed the pooch!

He let the drunk in Denver talk him into signing up. Since that, BB and Pioli have been pissing in his cheerios!

Who do you think "leaked" the info about him trying to aquire MC? Mcd sure didnt, he is as tight lipped as Pioli about his current teams dealings, no?

Letting Cassel eventually go for so low was surely a buddy deal and another kick in the balls of Mcd.

Can you clearly state your position on Marshall, so we can all laugh when he is traded and you flip flop again.

Did you see him on total access? He basicaly said he will be traded and they were working on it.

Start slamming him now, so you dont look so foolish in the future.

Champ was on a radio show after they cut his brother Boss and stated he had all but lost half the lockerroom already.

who can blame them? I wouldnt trust a guy that doesnt have enough respect for his pro bowl qb not to lie right to his face...if you can do so to a qb, you could also do so to me.

The future few years will surely be interesting as Denvers front office will be competing with Pioli and ours for 3-4 personel.

JuicesFlowing 07-26-2009 10:48 AM

Can we put a sticky on all anti-Denver threads? I think it would make CP a better place.:LOL:

listopencil 07-26-2009 11:03 AM

Meh. Orton isn't better than Cutler. That's not the point. The point is that Orton is better than nothing. And Cutler wasn't going to play for us anymore. The Denver FO did a decent job of getting something in return for a guy who wasn't going to be there anymore anyway. So suck ass, haters.

milkman 07-26-2009 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 5925911)
Meh. Orton isn't better than Cutler. That's not the point. The point is that Orton is better than nothing. And Cutler wasn't going to play for us anymore. The Denver FO did a decent job of getting something in return for a guy who wasn't going to be there anymore anyway. So suck ass, haters.

No one is arguing that Orton is worse than nothing.

We are debating with Homo 2724 that Orton is not better than Cutler.

listopencil 07-26-2009 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5925917)
No one is arguing that Orton is worse than nothing.

We are debating with Homo 2724 that Orton is not better than Cutler.


Oh, OK. I just woke up. Excuse my low reading comprehension. Pass the crack pipe this-a-way.


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