Don't forget Succop!

Is this going to be like the college football smack where people say off the wall stupid shit then not own up to there words? Peterson better than Pioli? That's ridiculous.

Not necessarily "optimistic", but maybe tone down the screaming and wailing just a tad. You're waking the baby.

Look, so far, the worst thing Pioli has done is give the contract to Cassel. That's 28 million guaranteed (not necessarily the 60 million people like to talk about). Worst case (and assuming that Pioli can't unload him), he becomes an over-paid backup ... and a pretty decent backup, at that.

As for the other coaching and personnel moves, don't forget that Pioli was hired late - that's on Clark. Haley was, therefore, hired late and the inventory of staff coaches was depleted by then. We were stuck.

The personnel stuff was Pioli responding to urgent needs and problems. Some of those worked and some didn't. However, (and this is important) would you prefer that Pioli play all year with the hand he was dealt ala Peterson? I think not.

Temper fury with reason, for God's sake.

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I don't know that you can say that at this point. It's silly to say that Clark does not want to spend money when he went out and got one of the most sought after and expensive pro-personnel men in football. He also paid a good chunk of change for a QB and has swallowed a lot of money for expensive players the new regime wanted to dump. It's not cheapness that is the issue. They will spend when they want to. You look at the Pats and the Steelers, teams Clark wants to model the Chiefs after, especially the Steelers, and historically they have not overpayed players or FA's and have instead relied on drafting and developing guys who fit their system. That's probably what Clark wants, not spending money on the Dan Williams and Carlton Gray's of the world but rather on productive players when need be, and drafting the core of the team. Of course Cassel could turn out to be a mistake as well if things don't improve, but we'll see.

Clark made a conscious decision to reshape the organization from the ground up this offseason. That will take time to shape into place. We have to keep in mind this was a team that had won 6 games in 2 years and had virtually no talent or talent that was overrated by some based on "potential" and had years of bad drafts this decade.

This team may not be much better than it was the last two years, but there wasn't much to work with in the first place. Most of the other teams in the NFL that were bad last year are again bad this year, which seems to indicate that all the free agent help that was supposedly out there probably wouldn't have been all that helpful. Pioli got rid of Pollard and Gonzo, and while those guys have been productive in their new environments, neither is on a winning team.

I dunno, maybe Pioli will prove to be a failure, obviously it was a risk as any new hire would be. But I don't think you can attribute that to Hunt not caring or wanting to spend. He went out and hired who he felt and who was widely believed to be the best guy out there, and he may yet prove to be that guy, but right now the results are obviously quite disappointing...

BULLSHIT!!!!

If the Chiefs had added the right players in four or five key positions they'd be a much better team right now.

We could have gone after Brian Dawkins...instead we got Mike Brown.

We could have found a guard or tackle in an OL-deep draft...instead we ****ed around with Goff and Newdookie.

They won 2 games. They ran the spread. They were completely devoid of talent. What exactly did you expect? Progress? How much progress can you make when you don't have an every down back, a pass rush spec., a #3 rec., a center, a guard, a RT, NT, a MLB, a safety, a TE, or even a FB? I'm sorry, but I expected some big wins, and some huge blowout losses. I really don't know what you guys were expecting. I still think we may win 5 games. Maybe you guys forgot that we were 3-2 over a 5 game stretch not too long ago. Everybody saw improvement then, hell even Whitlock. Now we've played two horrible games, and it's like it never happened. You people are too easily butt hurt. This team IS progressing. We are 3-4 over the last 7 games, with a cpl stinkers. That is exactly what we should be expecting form this pile of shat roster.
3-2 over 5 games=progress
No LJ= Progress
a #2 WR= progress. yes I think Chambers is a legit #2, and his presence will help Bowe.

Brian Dawkins would look like shit on this team too.

You must have been intimately familiar with his credentials.

The Truth Monkey just let out a big one over this post.

It's as though people don't realize just how bad we were/are. When Pioli took over, the sign over the stadium read; "Arrowhead, Home Of The Laughing Stocks." He's supposed to turn that culture around in 12 months? That's crazy talk.

Besides, as mentioned, he has a lot more on his plate than just personnel issues. The Chiefs were a broken organization from top to bottom. Give the poor guy a little time to sort things out, I say.

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Chiefsplanet John Kerry

What ****ing good is a 34?? yr old safety to us?
How will that make us a better team in the long run? You do know that the only thing that matters is the long run right? We are not winning 10 games with Dawkins the way Denver is, and I would be willing to bet, that if Dawkins was playing with Tamba Hali, and Not Elvis Dumerville, he would look like shit.

Jesum Crow, FAX, it's not like there wasn't a clear and established list of things that many of us wanted the team to do this offseason.

This isn't people bitching just to bitch. It's people bitching because the moves that were made (and were criticized at the time of them being made) are what we thought they were!!

And through all of that, we were told to STFD and STFU because we aren't "Pioli".

Well, based upon the cult of personality that surrounded him as a candidate, Pioli isn't Pioli, either. Just some fat Italian in a suit throwing darts at the Patriots roster castoffs.

Well, that should be encouraging to us, that he is also learning on the job.
He has made some strange moves, and some apparent bad moves. Hopefully, once he has time to put together a competent coaching staff, those moves will work out.

I doubt he'd be taking Mike Brown angles to the ball.

What ****ing good is Vrabel to us?

Christ, who cares? The Chiefs had to do SOMETHING to improve this year. There is no way they wanted to rank in the bottom 5 on offense and defense again.

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