Matt Cassel is hurting Matt Cassel.

Come on. That's not fair.

Why is that there is always a ****ing excuse for Matt Cassel....but everyone around him gets shit on?

FFS. The common person in all of this is Cassel. It falls on him.

I'm pretty sure there are a handful on CP who do that. And a massive amount of people who are so thirsty for Cassel blood that they refuse to believe that anybody but Cassel could have ****ed up a play, even when evidence shows it's not true.

In this case, based on what I've seen from the video, the end of the game is a lot more on the receivers and Weis than it is on Cassel.

You know, I agree that the drop by Bowe is on Bowe at the end of the day.

However, I also believe that a consistent QB, not a great QB, makes receivers look pretty good because of their consistency.

Trent Green serves as an example of that.

An inconsistent QB makes inconsistent receivers look worse than they are.

In other words, Cassel's inconsistency contributes to Bowe's inconsistency.

Our QB isn't very good. I just have issues when we use hatred for our QB to make excuses for our receivers when they don't play well. In this particular OT, they didn't get open.

To your point about consistency, yeah, I think that's definitely entirely possible. But against Oakland at the end of regulation and in OT, I don't believe it applies.

Bowe has to make that catch, no question.

Just another observation about the reasons that Cassel is a target.

Noted. For the record, I don't have a problem with Cassel being a target. Most of the time he deserves it.

Not referring to Cassel, but talking in general...

Shitty receivers make QBs look worse than they are.

Shitty O-lines make QBs look worse than they are.

Shitty running games make QBs look worse than they are.


The QB position is dependent upon other positions for success in a way that's unlike every other position on the field. Jeff Garcia could play in Philly, S.F. and, to a lesser extent, even Tampa Bay, but he shit the bed in Cleveland and Detroit. People who ignore the impact of dropped passes, lack of separation, poor route running and the like really have no business trying to evaluate QBs.

On the flipside, shitty Qbs make WRs look worse than they are.
Shitty QBs make O-lines look worse than they are.
Shitty QBs make running games look worse than they are.

See David Carr.

Cassel has a hard time hitting a screen pass let alone a down field pass. He's a back up quarterback at best. If Pioli has any brain he'll cut Cassel at the end of the season and avoid paying the ridiculous 7.5m bonus and resign Croyle. Croyle can easily do what they are asking of Cassel but Croyle has the confidence to throw a pass beyond 10 yards.

Depending on how the rest of the season goes and what draft pick the Chiefs end up with I think theres a real chance that Baldwin would land in the Chiefs lap. I dont see the Chiefs making the playoffs. We'll probably split with the Broncos, Rivers is going to go off on us in SD, and I wouldn't be suprised if Bradford lights us up. That puts us at 10-6 at best but I wouldnt be suprised if we find a way to lose one other game for the same reason we lost to the Raiders and 9-7 isn't going to beat the Chargers. So if we can get Baldwin, start Croyle and get a backup in the 2nd/3rd rounds because by week 3 Croyle will be on the IR. Otherwise I think we need to take a QB in the first round.

Agreed on all those points.

But in the case of the Chiefs, on the WRs, there's give and take. Moeaki is the only receiver on this team that consistently gets separation. I think Bowe is a good receiver at positioning his body to make a catch once it's in the air, but I don't think he's an overly consistent route runner. And McCluster would be so much more effective if we had an effective receiver at #1 who can stretch the field.

Again, not making excuses for Cassel because he misses way too many passes that he should hit. But no doubt we are missing some very critical pieces at receiver.

You're absolutely correct. But, as I noted before, this was about the receivers hurting the QB/team, not the other way around.

Also, just a quick note, specific to the Chiefs:

The O-line and the WRs sucked in 2009, regardless of who the QB was going to be. This year, the O-line's been improved, but the WRs still suck.

That's independent of Cassel.

There are more than enough examples of Cassel misfiring to an open receiver in 2010. It's not independent of Cassel.

The Chiefs had a chance to sign TO this past offseason.