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DaneMcCloud 11-30-2010 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7213575)
No question that this league is schedule driven.

Winning begets confidence, so this might off-set some of the challenges that are bound to occur next year. Plus, we're still allowed to participate in the draft, and I believe we're allowed to be involved in FA, possibly (with many variables here).

A rush backer, NT, center and WR (not to mention depth) should help to overcome any fear of the Chiefs "falling back to earth" because of the 2011 schedule.

ToxSocks 11-30-2010 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7213562)
And I've said as much. He has made progress.

Is it enough?

We won't know until he either plays at this level in a huge game, or on the road, without a running game, etc.

Otherwise, we're right back to square one:



I don't want to HOPE this team can count on its QB.

I want to KNOW if this team can count on its QB.

Eh, Can't really argue with you about that. When I came into this season, I had NO HOPE at all for Matt Cassel. He was terrible. The worst actually.

But he's getting better. And now i can actually have some faith in him.

I honestly don't think we'll see what you want to see until next season. He's getting better, but I don't think he's ready to carry the team yet.

It looks to me like he's finally understanding the offense, knowing where players are supposed to be. And his footwork has improved.

I never thought i would see his accuracy improve. I was wrong.

All I can do is hope that continues to grow, because he'll be back next season.

kcxiv 11-30-2010 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 7213591)
How arent we? We've played 2 terrible teams 2 weeks in a row and we ran it down their throat. Thats how we've won all year.

Because we now have a quarter back that can throw the ball we now have a WR. that the Quarterback believes in. I dont know about you, but that is ****ing HUGE.

Games against the Chargers and Browns, we didnt have that, we relied strickly on our running game. When we dropped back to throw the ball EVERYONE i mean EVERYOne cringed. Was it a sack or a interception is what we thought. WE arent the same team, and if you think we are, open your ****ing eyes.

DeezNutz 11-30-2010 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7213579)
That doesn't mean that because I mis-judged their abilities, that whatever happens from here on out is gravy because they've met/exceeded expectations.

We have to take advantage of a golden opportunity, and it will be a damn shame if we don't.

There are some similarities here to the arguments about the "evaluation year" in '09. Some were pissed at a wasted year, while some saw it was an unavoidable step.

Overall, I'm going to be happy about this team's progress in '10. If we piss away these final 5 games and an opportunity at the playoffs, however, I will be worried about next year, when our schedule will certainly be dramatically more difficult.

Oh, and SD isn't going to go away because they have a pretty important position on lock.

(not trying to start stuffs)

DeezNutz 11-30-2010 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 7213599)
A rush backer, NT, center and WR (not to mention depth) should help to overcome any fear of the Chiefs "falling back to earth" because of the 2011 schedule.

This looks like the type of Christmas list I sometimes assembled as a kid--far reaching.

patteeu 11-30-2010 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv (Post 7213538)
we were playing with back ups at the RT and LT and he not only avoided terible blocking but made HUGE plays out of them. The spin out and the TD pass to Bowe. Seattle's Defense isnt that terrible and they supposedly have a good line. Cassel handled the pressure and made plays. Early in the season he wasnt really doing that. It didnt mattter who it was against. Early in the season we were winning in spite of Matt. Now its not like that.

NO one is crowning anyone yet. At least i am not, I am just saying he has played way way way above what i thought he would be at.

I don't think Seattle's defensive line was very good. I agree that Cassel did a good job of avoiding what little pressure they did get though.

Ming the Merciless 11-30-2010 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7213595)
Are you kidding?

People here were talking playoffs weeks ago.

People said there was no way we'd lose to Oakland or Denver.

People continue to think our remaining home games are gimmes.

Well the exception doesn't make the rule.

The few homer morons don't mean the team is 'overhyped' in reality.

jd1020 11-30-2010 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv (Post 7213605)
Because we now have a quarter back that can throw the ball we now have a WR. that the Quarterback believes in. I dont know about you, but that is ****ing HUGE.

Games against the Chargers and Browns, we didnt have that, we relied strickly on our running game. When we dropped back to throw the ball EVERYONE i mean EVERYOne cringed. Was it a sack or a interception is what we thought. WE arent the same team, and if you think we are, open your ****ing eyes.

My eyes are wide open. I've seen a comfortable QB taking advantage of a #1 run offense the last 2 weeks against god awful defenses. Denver stuffed the run 3 weeks ago and Cassel couldnt get 1 first down. We dont know what we have yet. All we know is that there is a POTENTIAL for something. Every player that is drafted has ****in POTENTIAL.

Hoover 11-30-2010 05:30 PM

I love how we all want the Chiefs to develop a young QB, and then when it actually starts to happen before our eyes we have a bunch of jag bags who bitch because well he sucked at the start of season, or sucked all of last season.

Face it, some of you would have never had the patience to coach guys like Payton Manning, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Matt Ryan, and basically any other QB

The position takes time to learn in the NFL, and here we have Matt Cassel entering into the prime of his career and people want to bitch about it because they just hate to be proved wrong. I know, I know, its easy always being the guy who finds fault with everything.

OnTheWarpath15 11-30-2010 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv (Post 7213590)
For me it does. I didnt expect this to be a fun season to watch. It hass been. We have been in every single game going into the 4th quarter, hell we been tied or had the lead in every single game outside of the Denver game going into the 4th quarter.

Do i want this team to do more? absolutely, am i going to rant moan and groan if they dont? Nope.

There's no way to say this nicely, or sugar coat it, so...

I guess that this team, and their performance means more to than others than it does to you.

With that said, if I thought this team wasn't capable of making the playoffs or making a run, then yeah, I wouldn't be all that upset.

But I believe this team CAN, if they play to their potential.

So I'll be damned if I lower my expectations now, when the team should be raising theirs.

Hammock Parties 11-30-2010 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 7213618)
Denver stuffed the run 3 weeks ago and Cassel couldnt get 1 first down. We dont know what we have yet.

This x1000.

I will say, however, that the opening drive against Seattle, which featured almost 0 contribution from the running game, gives me hope.

If Cassel can take pressure off the running game like that consistently there's no telling how good the offense might be.

OnTheWarpath15 11-30-2010 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 7213617)
Well the exception doesn't make the rule.

The few homer morons don't mean the team is 'overhyped' in reality.

A few?

C'mon, man.

ToxSocks 11-30-2010 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7213614)
This looks like the type of Christmas list I sometimes assembled as a kid--far reaching.

How so?

These are obvious needs that can't and won't be overlooked. I don't think we'll get that NT that we're looking for, but im positive we'll see a OLB and a WR in the first 2 rounds.

I think we'll see:

OLB
WR
C
RB
S

For sure.

007 11-30-2010 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv (Post 7213605)
Because we now have a quarter back that can throw the ball we now have a WR. that the Quarterback believes in. I dont know about you, but that is ****ing HUGE.

Games against the Chargers and Browns, we didnt have that, we relied strickly on our running game. When we dropped back to throw the ball EVERYONE i mean EVERYOne cringed. Was it a sack or a interception is what we thought. WE arent the same team, and if you think we are, open your ****ing eyes.

I think you actually mean, was it a dropped pass or poorly thrown.

DaneMcCloud 11-30-2010 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 7213594)
I think that over time, this can be remedied both through improvement in the pass protection and continued toughening of Matt Cassel's mind, but I don't think it's completely accomplished yet. What the past few weeks have done though is demonstrate that it's not a matter of a weak arm or poor mechanics or inability to process more than one receiver.

I'm really beginning to believe that Matt Cassel's biggest problem comes from sitting on the bench for seven consecutive years.

In many ways, it's like the guy is a third year player. I didn't want to admit it last year because in reality, it's a silly notion to think that a 28 year old is a third year player. But he wasn't recruited to play at USC because he sucked and he wasn't drafted by the Patriots because he sucked and he wasn't traded to the Chiefs because he sucked.

I think the guy has the genuine ability to be a solid if not spectacular NFL QB, but what he's needed desperately is playing time.

Look, I wouldn't be as high on him if he was playing at the same level as last year or even through the first six games but he's moved beyond that. And while he's most certain to have one bad game down the stretch (if not two), he appears to be a guy that learns from mistakes, forgets and moves on.

Regardless of stats, he still has a ways to go but if the Chiefs can finish 4-1 and possibly hit the playoffs, the guy will be an even better QB in 2011.


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