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Royal Fanatic 01-15-2011 06:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeXJones (Post 7357763)
Im sure he is having thoughts about killing Hillman
Trey Hillman has to be one of the dumbest managers in baseball history. What he did to Meche is criminal.

DeezNutz 01-15-2011 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 7357826)
Maybe you misread my post. He is an ELEVEN MILLION DOLLAR LONG RELIEVER.

Life could be much tougher.

But yeah, Hillman misused him badly, although Meche asked for it really. He basically refused to come out of games, and Hillman was too big of a pussy to tell him to sit down.
Ultimately, the blame goes to Dayton Moore. When he saw his manager abuse one of the most expensive commodities on the team, he has to ensure that it stops. Immediately.

He didn't.

Mr. Laz 01-15-2011 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by SnakeXJones (Post 7357763)
Im sure he is having thoughts about killing Hillman
i don't know why, it's his own dam fault. He is the one that pushed Hillman to leave him in games.

DeezNutz 01-15-2011 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 7358142)
i don't know why, it's his own dam fault. He is the one that pushed Hillman to leave him in games.
What?

It's baseball culture for a pitcher never to want to leave a game. If he did, he'd be considered a bitch by his teammates. The manager's job is to actually, you know, manage the players.

Hillman earned his "barnyard" nickname, and Moore was even dumber for allowing this clown to destroy Meche.

alnorth 01-15-2011 07:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 7357826)
Maybe you misread my post. He is an ELEVEN MILLION DOLLAR LONG RELIEVER.

Life could be much tougher.

But yeah, Hillman misused him badly, although Meche asked for it really. He basically refused to come out of games, and Hillman was too big of a pussy to tell him to sit down.
I will never blame the pitcher for staying in a game. I'm no athlete, but its easy to imagine being at the pinnacle of your sport, adrenaline is pumping, you dont feel the tiredness, the pain doesn't seem like a big deal, you are completely into it breaking down the batter thinking about what pitches you want to go with, when you manager starts coming out? "Wait, no I've got this, please don't take me out, I've got this guy!", etc

The manager's job is to say "I don't want to hear it, give me the ball". If the pitchcount isn't high and its just a game situation where you dont know if he has it today or not and the pitcher wants to convince you to leave him in, fine. When he's thrown way too many pitches, its not some sort of perfect game/no-hitter situation, and you are going out to save his arm, you don't get talked out of that no matter what he wants to say.

duncan_idaho 01-15-2011 08:08 PM
Nice to see them add a couple of depth guys that can eat innings in Francis and Chen. Takes some pressure off the younger guys.

I could see Francis being this season's Wilson Betemit. Post-hype guy still in his prime production years. Gotta find some more experienced guys to blend with the youngsters coming up if you really want to make a run in 2013 and be a decent team in 2012.

doomy3 01-15-2011 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 7358280)
I will never blame the pitcher for staying in a game. I'm no athlete, but its easy to imagine being at the pinnacle of your sport, adrenaline is pumping, you dont feel the tiredness, the pain doesn't seem like a big deal, you are completely into it breaking down the batter thinking about what pitches you want to go with, when you manager starts coming out? "Wait, no I've got this, please don't take me out, I've got this guy!", etc

The manager's job is to say "I don't want to hear it, give me the ball". If the pitchcount isn't high and its just a game situation where you dont know if he has it today or not and the pitcher wants to convince you to leave him in, fine. When he's thrown way too many pitches, its not some sort of perfect game/no-hitter situation, and you are going out to save his arm, you don't get talked out of that no matter what he wants to say.
Yeah, I know. That's why I called Hillman a pussy.

duncan_idaho 01-15-2011 08:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 7358280)
I will never blame the pitcher for staying in a game. I'm no athlete, but its easy to imagine being at the pinnacle of your sport, adrenaline is pumping, you dont feel the tiredness, the pain doesn't seem like a big deal, you are completely into it breaking down the batter thinking about what pitches you want to go with, when you manager starts coming out? "Wait, no I've got this, please don't take me out, I've got this guy!", etc

The manager's job is to say "I don't want to hear it, give me the ball". If the pitchcount isn't high and its just a game situation where you dont know if he has it today or not and the pitcher wants to convince you to leave him in, fine. When he's thrown way too many pitches, its not some sort of perfect game/no-hitter situation, and you are going out to save his arm, you don't get talked out of that no matter what he wants to say.
Exactly right. Pitchers never want to give up the rock (I never did). Sometimes you pay for that with a major injury (again, I did).

The sport ethic demands that you be tough and gut it out, whether that's playing through a concussion in football or continuing to pitch even though you can't feel your fingers or even though your elbow is on fire.

Royal Fanatic 01-15-2011 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7358136)
Ultimately, the blame goes to Dayton Moore. When he saw his manager abuse one of the most expensive commodities on the team, he has to ensure that it stops. Immediately.

He didn't.
No. A GM can't micromanage like that. This is on the manager.

Mr. Laz 01-15-2011 08:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7358188)
What?

It's baseball culture for a pitcher never to want to leave a game. If he did, he'd be considered a bitch by his teammates. The manager's job is to actually, you know, manage the players.

Hillman earned his "barnyard" nickname, and Moore was even dumber for allowing this clown to destroy Meche.
a veteran pitcher like Meche shouldn't be such a bitch.

Hillman was weak but if you are bitching all the time to be left in the game and then that ends up hurting your arm then you have no room to cry.

DeezNutz 01-15-2011 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Royal Fanatic (Post 7358429)
No. A GM can't micromanage like that. This is on the manager.
Not really. When it gets to the point that a GM needs to step in, as he absolutely needed to do here, it's a clear sign that the manager must be fired because he's not managing the talent properly.

The problem with Moore is that he compounded his initial mistake in hiring Hillman.

And everything is ultimately DM's responsibility.

To Laz: Not sure how you're going to break the "tough guy mentality" that permeates any ML clubhouse. If a pitching coach/manager asks, "Can you go?" There is no other answer but, "Yes." Unless you're injured. It's the manager's stupidity in asking a question with an obvious answer.

KChiefs1 01-15-2011 10:14 PM
Looks like Francis is stoked to be a Royal:

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/...ng-time-in-kc/

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Francis: An exciting time in KC

Righty agrees to 1-year deal with Royals.

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Without making any predictions, Jeff Francis said he can see parallels between the young Kansas City Royals of 2011 and the pennant-winning Colorado Rockies he pitched for in 2007.

That’s one reason the 30-year-old left-hander agreed to terms on a one-year contract with Kansas City yesterday, a deal worth about $2 million.

“I think they’re on similar paths that Colorado was five or six years ago,” Francis said. “So, I’ve seen it happen, and I know it can be done. It’s certainly an exciting time for an organization.”

Francis was 17-9 with the Rockies in 2007 when they won 21 of 22 games in a September run to the National League wild-card spot and advanced to the club’s first World Series. He beat the Philadelphia Phillies in a playoff start but underwent arthroscopic surgery on his left shoulder in early 2009 and missed the entire season.

He came back in 2010 with spotty success, going 4-10 with a 5.00 ERA in 20 games.

For his career, Francis is 55-50 with a 4.77 ERA in 150 appearances, all but one as a starter.

Also yesterday, the Royals settled on a $1.4 million, one-year deal with outfielder Alex Gordon, leaving first baseman Billy Butler and right-handed pitchers Kyle Davies and Robinson Tejeda as the only arbitration-eligible players still unsigned.

Gordon has been a major disappointment since being the overall No. 2 pick in the 2005 draft. Projected as a future star at third base, he moved to the outfield last year after a stint in the minor leagues. He is a career .244 hitter with 45 home runs in 408 games for the Royals.

Gordon’s contract also includes $100,000 in performance bonuses.

Royal Fanatic 01-15-2011 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 7359098)
Looks like Francis is stoked to be a Royal:

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/...ng-time-in-kc/
That's refreshing after the dick move that Greinke pulled.

BillSelfsTrophycase 01-15-2011 10:59 PM
Good signing, maybe he's this year's Ankiel

KChiefs1 01-15-2011 11:06 PM
In other news:

http://www.kmbc.com/r/26504755/detail.htm

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George Brett Bridge Demolished Overnight

Span Set To Be Replaced In Time For Baseball Season



KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- The George Brett Bridge over Interstate 70 near the Harry S. Truman Sports Complex was demolished late Friday, causing major traffic problems on I-70 for the weekend.


The bridge will be rebuilt over the next two months. Engineers said they hoped it would be ready to reopen before the Kansas City Royals open their season at Kauffman Stadium on March 31.


http://www.kmbc.com/sh/images/ibs_icon/hearst/video.gifRaw Video: George Brett Bridge Demolition


Crews said they expect the debris from the demolition to be completely cleared before Monday morning's rush hour. Access to I-70 will be limited until the roadway can be cleared. Late Saturday morning, I-70 drivers were being forced to exit at Blue Ridge Cutoff and then get back on the highway on the other side of the street.


Slideshow: Blowing Up The George Brett Bridge


The bridge, which was named for Royals Hall of Fame slugger George Brett about 10 years ago, has been in need of repairs for years. Several years ago, chunks of concrete fell from the bridge onto I-70.


The project is part of a larger $32.4 million campaign to rebuild the I-70 interchange at Interstate 435. The project has been paid for by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act.


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