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milkman 03-04-2011 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7466147)
I'd add LT and QB to that list as well. Albert was horrible last season and I wish that people would stop giving him a free pass just because he's young and he was a first rounder. He's had three years of starting to figure it out and it's not happening. He is a liability at the second most important position on the offensive side of the ball. And Cassel isn't good. He's inaccurate on his throws, has terrible pocket presence and doesn't see the field/go through his progressions at an NFL QB level.

I also think that Belcher was quite effective at MLB and that Mays and particularly Williams were good backups at the MLB/ILB spots respectfully.

Personally, I think that the coaching staff, particularly Crennel, did wonders last year.

They were also aided by a schedule that perfectly played to the strengths of the 2010 Chiefs team. (Bad pass rushing teams and team that don't defend the run very well.)

Next season, the schedule won't be as fortunate and I think that we'll get a better understanding of how truly ready we are to be a playoff team and where our greatest needs are from a roster perspective.

Albert wasn't good, but he wasn't horrible either.

Do you not understand that you had little to no credibility before you posted your evaluation of Asomoah's play at LT, and lost whatever credibility you might have had then.

No one is paying any attention to your dumb ass.

Chiefnj2 03-04-2011 10:19 AM

forget it,dumb idea

Saccopoo 03-04-2011 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7466162)
Albert wasn't good, but he wasn't horrible either.

Do you not understand that you had little to no credibility before you posted your evaluation of Asomoah's play at LT, and lost whatever credibility you might have had then.

No one is paying any attention to your dumb ass.

No credibility because I think Albert isn't a starting left tackle based on his level of play over the last three years?

Whatever you say Mr. Super Talent Evaluator that continued to preach that the guy was "ASCENDING."

Let's see...I think Albert isn't a good left tackle and you think he's ascending. And that gives me no credibility and you have placed yourself on the throne of credibility, holding the scepter of football knowledge. Is that correct?

Welcome to Chiefs Planet, where everyday is opposite day.

And apparently, you are paying attention to me. Otherwise, you wouldn't have responded.

Ascending.

milkman 03-04-2011 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7466179)
No credibility because I think Albert isn't a starting left tackle based on his level of play over the last three years?

Whatever you say Mr. Super Talent Evaluator that continued to preach that the guy was "ASCENDING."

Let's see...I think Albert isn't a good left tackle and you think he's ascending. And that gives me no credibility and you have placed yourself on the throne of credibility, holding the scepter of football knowledge. Is that correct?

Welcome to Chiefs Planet, where everyday is opposite day.

And apparently, you are paying attention to me. Otherwise, you wouldn't have responded.

Ascending.

No credibility because you embellish how poorly Albert is playing, and because you fail to read others posts, as illustrated by the fact that I have repeatedly said that Albert didn't improve and that I would not be opposed to replacing him.

And, if by paying attention you mean, that you are hard to ignore, much like the poorly discilplined child in the store who continually cries every minute that he's in the store, then yeah, I'm paying attention.

Saccopoo 03-04-2011 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7466240)
No credibility because you embellish how poorly Albert is playing, and because you fail to read others posts, as illustrated by the fact that I have repeatedly said that Albert didn't improve and that I would not be opposed to replacing him.

And, if by paying attention you mean, that you are hard to ignore, much like the poorly discilplined child in the store who continually cries every minute that he's in the store, then yeah, I'm paying attention.

How have I embellished how poorly Albert is playing? I said he's horrible (lower/bottom tier tackle compared to his peers if you want me to be nice about it) and hasn't improved at all since he started at left tackle in 2008. He has poor footwork, slow react times, bad balance and struggles to lock onto a defender. He lunges at guys versus engages them. The guy is simply not good and doesn't possess the skills to be a starting left tackle in the NFL. I do think he could be a very good guard though, especially in this system and hope that the team doesn't waste that opportunity by continuing to parade him out there at the LT position where he isn't effective.

I don't think any of that is an embellishment.

milkman 03-04-2011 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7466268)
How have I embellished how poorly Albert is playing? I said he's horrible (lower/bottom tier tackle compared to his peers if you want me to be nice about it) and hasn't improved at all since he started at left tackle in 2008. He has poor footwork, slow react times, bad balance and struggles to lock onto a defender. He lunges at guys versus engages them. The guy is simply not good and doesn't possess the skills to be a starting left tackle in the NFL. I do think he could be a very good guard though, especially in this system and hope that the team doesn't waste that opportunity by continuing to parade him out there at the LT position where he isn't effective.

I don't think any of that is an embellishment.

He struggles with consistency in his technique, and that has been a problem.

But when he does things well, he can and has locked down his opponent.

He does a good job as a run blocker, and gets to the second level, something you constantly say that he hasn't done.

He hasn't progressed.

But at worst, he's adequate until someone is brought in to replace him.

keg in kc 03-04-2011 11:45 AM

The problem with the line is not Albert. The problem with the line is that Wiegmann, while adequate in space hitting second level blocks on run plays, does not effectively drive block against any sizable linemen, and is basically a turnstile in pass protection against any remotely good defensive tackle. Which actually hurts the pass protection in a larger way, because he has to have guard help. He's too light (particularly by year's end) and he's too old (also more of an issue late in the season). I like the guy, he was good for years, but that ship has sailed.

The other problem is that the franchise has been trying to find a right tackle since 2002, when Tait went to the Bears, and has so far failed to do so.

Those are the problems that need to be addressed. Finding someone to take Albert's spot at this juncture would be a luxury, not a necessity, and it would also, I think, be premature.

DeezNutz 03-04-2011 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 7466393)
The problem with the line is not Albert. The problem with the line is that Wiegmann, while adequate in space hitting second level blocks on run plays, does not effectively drive block against any sizable linemen, and is basically a turnstile in pass protection against any remotely good defensive tackle. Which actually hurts the pass protection in a larger way, because he has to have guard help. He's too light (particularly by year's end) and he's too old (also more of an issue late in the season). I like the guy, he was good for years, but that ship has sailed.

The other problem is that the franchise has been trying to find a right tackle since 2002, when Tait went to the Bears, and has so far failed to do so.

Those are the problems that need to be addressed. Finding someone to take Albert's spot at this juncture would be a luxury, not a necessity, and it would also, I think, be premature.

I am going to fill space with unnecessary words in order to show my fellows on CP that I agree with this thoughtful post.

milkman 03-04-2011 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 7466393)
The problem with the line is not Albert. The problem with the line is that Wiegmann, while adequate in space hitting second level blocks on run plays, does not effectively drive block against any sizable linemen, and is basically a turnstile in pass protection against any remotely good defensive tackle. Which actually hurts the pass protection in a larger way, because he has to have guard help. He's too light (particularly by year's end) and he's too old (also more of an issue late in the season). I like the guy, he was good for years, but that ship has sailed.

The other problem is that the franchise has been trying to find a right tackle since 2002, when Tait went to the Bears, and has so far failed to do so.

Those are the problems that need to be addressed. Finding someone to take Albert's spot at this juncture would be a luxury, not a necessity, and it would also, I think, be premature.

The problem is, that while sacofdumbassey embellishes, he is right in that Albert's progress has plateaued.

He fails to recognize that he did progress over the latter half of the '09 season, suggesting that he hasn't progressed since '08, but that's not important.

It still remains that he showed no signs of progress in '10.

So replacing him, while not a priority, is also not out of the question.

Replacing Weigman is a priority, though.

Frosty 03-04-2011 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7466431)
The problem is, that while sacofdumbassey embellishes, he is right in that Albert's progress has plateaued.

He fails to recognize that he did progress over the latter half of the '09 season, suggesting that he hasn't progressed since '08, but that's not important.

It still remains that he showed no signs of progress in '10.

In your opinion, is that from lack of talent (or drive) or crappy coaching?

Saccopoo 03-04-2011 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7466361)
But when he does things well, he can and has locked down his opponent.

That can be said about every tackle in the league. The problem with Albert is that happens far to infrequently.

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He does a good job as a run blocker, and gets to the second level, something you constantly say that he hasn't done.
Oh, he can get to the second level. He flounders when he gets there however and more often than not, struggles considerably in finding and locking on a defender. There were many times this past season when he got out to the second level on run plays and simply watched the play go right by him without engaging anyone.

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He hasn't progressed.
No, he hasn't.

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But at worst, he's adequate until someone is brought in to replace him.
At worst, I think he's well below the adequacy line. At best, he's adequate. The problem around here is that you've got a bunch of people who are so against addressing this problem because he's only spent three years in the league and he was a first round pick. They apparently loathe the concept of having more than one first round pick on the offensive line (even though there are five guys there and it is a position of importance) so much that they are willing to turn a blind eye towards Albert's gross inconsistencies and think that everything is hunky dory.

It's okay to have multiple first rounders on the defensive line. Three out of three first round picks on a 3-4 defensive front seems to be the average CP posters idea of football nirvana. But have two guys on the offensive line that were first rounders?! It's akin to having your scrotum placed on a belt sander.

keg in kc 03-04-2011 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7466431)
The problem is, that while sacofdumbassey embellishes, he is right in that Albert's progress has plateaued.

He fails to recognize that he did progress over the latter half of the '09 season, suggesting that he hasn't progressed since '08, but that's not important.

It still remains that he showed no signs of progress in '10.

So replacing him, while not a priority, is also not out of the question.

Replacing Weigman is a priority, though.

Albert, even without progressing from where he was in 2009 (or 2010), is a passable starting left tackle. This isn't Jordan Black starting out there. Is he Jonathan Ogden? No, he's not. But he's not the weak link on the line by any stretch.

The problems on the line are immediately to his right. And I don't just mean Wiegmann. Waters is 34 and has been on a steady spiral down since Roaf retired. And then there's Wiegmann.

Get a better center, and I think the impact ripples outward. Get a better left guard to boot (although I haven't heard a word about that happening...) and I think all of a sudden Albert looks like a lot better player.

In a lot of ways, line play is a sum of the parts. As far as those parts go, Albert is at the worst the 2nd best cog we have (Lilja probably played the best last year). The right tackle position has been a hole for years. Center play has been a problem for years. And Waters is an increasing problem as time passes.

I believe that replacing Albert, as I said before, would be a luxury move at this point. Bigger fish to fry. Unless you can bring in a hall of fame calibre vet for a song the way that Roaf came over in 2002. And I think we all know what the odds of that kind of lightning striking twice are.

Tribal Warfare 03-06-2011 10:13 AM

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here's Billick's opinion on KC's needs for the draft. the video is short though

SAUTO 03-06-2011 11:16 AM

Didn't sacc also state that weigman was the best o line player we had last year? Waters was number two IIRC
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7466431)
The problem is, that while sacofdumbassey embellishes, he is right in that Albert's progress has plateaued.

He fails to recognize that he did progress over the latter half of the '09 season, suggesting that he hasn't progressed since '08, but that's not important.

It still remains that he showed no signs of progress in '10.

So replacing him, while not a priority, is also not out of the question.

Replacing Weigman is a priority, though.

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Saccopoo 03-06-2011 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 7469963)
Didn't sacc also state that weigman was the best o line player we had last year? Waters was number two IIRC
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He was.

He is also 38 years old and is pondering retirement. Getting a suitable replacement behind him is a priority. That is, unless you are satisfied with Niswanger.


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