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Brock 04-23-2011 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7586111)
Man, I know what you mean. Anyone who would question the Berry pick has got to be a complete idiot.

Okung/Bulaga and TJ Ward/Nate Allen

versus

Berry and McCluster?

That's crazy talk.

Especially considering that we still have Richardson and Albert as our starting tackles.

Awesome.
The fact you have to throw McCluster into the mix pretty much destroys any worthwhile point you had to make.

Bowser 04-23-2011 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7586093)
I'm seriously questioning your ability to imagine anything. I don't think you have a creative, figurative bone in your body.

And, like I said, I would rather have Allen or Ward in the second along with Okung or Bulaga than Berry and McCluster (to go along with the stellar Chiefs OT duo of Albert and Richardson).

TJ Ward:
123 Tackles
2 Ints
10 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fum.

Nate Allen:
48 tackles
2 Sacks
3 Ints
8 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fumbles

Eric Berry:
92 Tackles
2 Sacks
4 Ints
9 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fum.

And you can add Earl Thomas to that list of rookie safeties that had very good years:

Earl Thomas
76 Tackles
5 Ints
7 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fum.

,,,and next year, Morgan Burnett and Chad Jones, who had injuries their rookie years and didn't play, but should be contributors next season. And then you can add Taylor Mays as well.

Berry is going to have to work his ass off to be considered a top three safety in just his draft class, let alone a top three NFL safety.

So, yeah, I'd much rather have a competent offensive tackle along with a safety that mirrored Berry's production than Berry and McCluster (which means that Richardson and Albert are still our kick ass OT's).
Seriously. Stop. This has turned into some kind of butthurt crusade on your part to try and convince anyone that Okung would have been a better pick for us than Berry. He wouldn't have been. I'll gladly keep a Branden Albert if it means replacing a Mike Brown with an Eric Berry. For ****'s sake, man.

Saccopoo 04-23-2011 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 7586341)
There is no way he does. Here are some "stats" from a safety that had one of the worst seasons I've ever seen. Mike Brown during his one year in KC had...

103 Tackles
2 Sacks
3 INTs

Sac was probably like "hell yeah, we got ourselves a kickass safety". "Look at those numbers!!!"
That's my point with Berry. Everyone looks at his numbers and assumes he kicked the shit out of things. However, the guy actually lost games for the team because of his atrocious pass defense. Mike Brown got destroyed on this board for doing the exact same thing, but because Berry is a Chiefs first rounder that the majority wanted, he can **** up all he wants and the apology squad will rush to defend him.

Same thing with Albert and Dorsey. Their production is, quite literally, horrible, but because no one wants to spend another first round pick to fix the hole at LT, he gets the kid glove treatment around here. Dorsey was supposed to be the best player in the draft, but somehow the Chiefs stole him at #5. In three years of starting he has four sacks total. Awesome, but some people think he's the lynchpin of the defense.

Then you got guys like Hali, who wasn't a flashy, sexy pick but people still want to draft a pass rusher over him. Wiegmann was our best offensive lineman last year, but he's the guy everyone is clamoring to replace, not the freaking tragedies at tackle.

However, seeing as the vast majority of people around here wanted Jimmy Clausen and Mark Sanchez, who are, along with Derek Anderson, two of the three worst performing quarterbacks statistically in the entire NFL, I'm not overly surprised on their analytical football observational acumen.

ChiefsCountry 04-23-2011 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7586388)
That's my point with Berry. Everyone looks at his numbers and assumes he kicked the shit out of things. However, the guy actually lost games for the team because of his atrocious pass defense. Mike Brown got destroyed on this board for doing the exact same thing, but because Berry is a Chiefs first rounder that the majority wanted, he can **** up all he wants and the apology squad will rush to defend him.

Same thing with Albert and Dorsey. Their production is, quite literally, horrible, but because no one wants to spend another first round pick to fix the hole at LT, he gets the kid glove treatment around here. Dorsey was supposed to be the best player in the draft, but somehow the Chiefs stole him at #5. In three years of starting he has four sacks total. Awesome, but some people think he's the lynchpin of the defense.

Then you got guys like Hali, who wasn't a flashy, sexy pick but people still want to draft a pass rusher over him. Wiegmann was our best offensive lineman last year, but he's the guy everyone is clamoring to replace, not the freaking tragedies at tackle.

However, seeing as the vast majority of people around here wanted Jimmy Clausen and Mark Sanchez, who are, along with Derek Anderson, two of the three worst performing quarterbacks statistically in the entire NFL, I'm not overly surprised on their analytical football observational acumen.
You should really quit posting, you make yourself look like a bigger ****ing idiot everytime you post.

the Talking Can 04-23-2011 01:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7586388)
That's my point with Berry. Everyone looks at his numbers and assumes he kicked the shit out of things. However, the guy actually lost games for the team because of his atrocious pass defense. Mike Brown got destroyed on this board for doing the exact same thing, but because Berry is a Chiefs first rounder that the majority wanted, he can **** up all he wants and the apology squad will rush to defend him.

Same thing with Albert and Dorsey. Their production is, quite literally, horrible, but because no one wants to spend another first round pick to fix the hole at LT, he gets the kid glove treatment around here. Dorsey was supposed to be the best player in the draft, but somehow the Chiefs stole him at #5. In three years of starting he has four sacks total. Awesome, but some people think he's the lynchpin of the defense.

Then you got guys like Hali, who wasn't a flashy, sexy pick but people still want to draft a pass rusher over him. Wiegmann was our best offensive lineman last year, but he's the guy everyone is clamoring to replace, not the freaking tragedies at tackle.

However, seeing as the vast majority of people around here wanted Jimmy Clausen and Mark Sanchez, who are, along with Derek Anderson, two of the three worst performing quarterbacks statistically in the entire NFL, I'm not overly surprised on their analytical football observational acumen.
you are straight up ****ing reeruned, and I now know for a fact you don't even watch Chiefs games....

Berry is so much better than the safeties you listed it isn't even funny...and it's obvious to anyone who actually watched...

and we didn't lose "games" because of Berry...and it was Lewis getting torched repeatedly from mid-season on that hurt our secondary the most...

and no one wants to "draft a pass rusher over Hali"....literally not one person

you make shit up, lie, and obviously watch games wearing these:

http://images.windycitynovelties.com...205_detail.jpg

SAUTO 04-23-2011 01:15 PM
I totally ignore sacc ever since he started saying weigmann was our best olineman last year
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Titty Meat 04-23-2011 04:26 PM
The pics don't make any of your dumbass selections look better.

The Franchise 04-23-2011 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 7586445)
I totally ignore sacc ever since he started saying weigmann was our best olineman last year
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This.

Brock 04-23-2011 06:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7586388)
Wiegmann was our best offensive lineman last year, but he's the guy everyone is clamoring to replace, not the freaking tragedies at tackle.
Just when you can't get any dumber.

Bewbies 04-23-2011 07:30 PM
LMAO

SAUTO 04-23-2011 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 7586725)
Just when you can't get any dumber.

Dude, he has said that for months. Crazy talk. I literally have not seen anyone else say that. At all.
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milkman 04-23-2011 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7586093)
I'm seriously questioning your ability to imagine anything. I don't think you have a creative, figurative bone in your body.

And, like I said, I would rather have Allen or Ward in the second along with Okung or Bulaga than Berry and McCluster (to go along with the stellar Chiefs OT duo of Albert and Richardson).

TJ Ward:
123 Tackles
2 Ints
10 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fum.

Nate Allen:
48 tackles
2 Sacks
3 Ints
8 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fumbles

Eric Berry:
92 Tackles
2 Sacks
4 Ints
9 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fum.

And you can add Earl Thomas to that list of rookie safeties that had very good years:

Earl Thomas
76 Tackles
5 Ints
7 Passes Def.
1 Forced Fum.

,,,and next year, Morgan Burnett and Chad Jones, who had injuries their rookie years and didn't play, but should be contributors next season. And then you can add Taylor Mays as well.

Berry is going to have to work his ass off to be considered a top three safety in just his draft class, let alone a top three NFL safety.

So, yeah, I'd much rather have a competent offensive tackle along with a safety that mirrored Berry's production than Berry and McCluster (which means that Richardson and Albert are still our kick ass OT's).
What the **** is your point?

I would rather have Berry and Koa Misi than Berry and McNuggett, but McNuggett has nothing to do with the conversation of Berry vs. Okung you ****ing dumbass.

SAUTO 04-23-2011 08:12 PM
I can see the point sacc is trying to make. It's flawed.


He says we could have gotten a player as good as berry in the second. Instead of mccluster.

Crazy talk.
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RustShack 04-23-2011 08:36 PM
Come on guys, everyone knows stats tells the whole story of what happens on a football field. Remember when Napolion Harris was our leading tackler a few years ago? Clearly our best defender.

the Talking Can 04-23-2011 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 7586976)
Come on guys, everyone knows stats tells the whole story of what happens on a football field. Remember when Napolion Harris was our leading tackler a few years ago? Clearly our best defender.
see: Mazlowski


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