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notorious 05-12-2011 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 7637928)
So you think NFL owners want to price their product out of range of their customers? Not very sound business.

They are already.


Besides, most of their money is made outside the stadium a.k.a. TV.

jspchief 05-12-2011 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 7637934)
They are already.


Besides, most of their money is made outside the stadium a.k.a. TV.

This isn't just about tickets to the game.

The price of sunday ticket has doubled in less than 5 years. Please don't tell me you are naive enough to believe there isn't a ceiling on what networks will pay to give you free football on TV. The groundwork has been laid for PPV and Sunday Ticket is just feeling out the price point.

Business owners keep their margins. I'd rather they do it by cutting employee pay than passing costs on to the customers.

alnorth 05-12-2011 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 7637928)
So you think NFL owners want to price their product out of range of their customers? Not very sound business.

The owners are motivated by profit, not affordability. If they could find 100 fans each willing to pay 1 million dollars per ticket, they would do that in a heartbeat even though it would mean their stadiums are as empty and silent as a mausoleum.

Ticket prices are based on maximizing revenue, raising price just to the breaking point but not quite beyond (for many people, not all). The owners don't give a rat's ass about keeping tickets affordable, nor should they.

Bugeater 05-12-2011 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 7637934)
They are already.


Besides, most of their money is made outside the stadium a.k.a. TV.

That doesn't mean the in-stadium money isn't just as important. If it wasn't, they would be holding cities hostage for new digs.

tk13 05-12-2011 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 7637928)
So you think NFL owners want to price their product out of range of their customers? Not very sound business.

That's where I think people might get lost on this. They're trying to apply real world mom and pop store ideas to a business that's printing money. We've yet to truly see where the limit is on this... and you can certainly argue the owners are going to push the limit until they find out.

kcfanXIII 05-12-2011 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 7636979)
The players started the lockout by decertifying...which is a sham to begin with..and are the ones that walked away from the bargaining table. Not the owners.

You are wrong on the first part. And for part two of your post had the owners not backed out of an extremely successful CBA, there would be no reason to negotiate. I side with the op that pro owner fans (current lockout specifically) are misinformed or are just too ****ing stupid to understand.

DaFace 05-12-2011 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kcfanXIII (Post 7637942)
You are wrong on the first part. And for part two of your post had the owners not backed out of an extremely successful CBA, there would be no reason to negotiate. I side with the op that pro owner fans (current lockout specifically) are misinformed or are just too ****ing stupid to understand.

What exactly made the previous CBA "extremely successful?"

jspchief 05-12-2011 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 7637938)
The owners are motivated by profit, not affordability.

Of course they are motivated by profit. That's the point of owning a business.

The difference is, an owner wants to profit off his football team for the rest of his life. A player knows he has a limited number of years to collect his paycheck from football.

Do you think any player gives a shit if they run the league out of business in the long run?

Answer the 3 questions I posed in my first post.

DaFace 05-12-2011 08:52 PM

Oh, and apparently I'm too ****ing stupid too understand what's going on. Please help me! I'm intellectually deficient.

alnorth 05-12-2011 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kcfanXIII (Post 7637942)
You are wrong on the first part. And for part two of your post had the owners not backed out of an extremely successful CBA, there would be no reason to negotiate. I side with the op that pro owner fans (current lockout specifically) are misinformed or are just too ****ing stupid to understand.

personally, I'm open to the possibility of sympathizing with, and siding with the owners. I don't get caught up in this "the players struck so we should blame them/ the owners locked out so we should blame them" idiocy. Who cares who started the conflict through whatever legal mechanism, both sides must be happy with the deal at all times, or there will be a strike/lockout.

What I care about is figuring out who is right, no matter who started it.

The NFL owners adamantly refuse to open their books, even though NHL/NBA/MLB owners open their books to their player unions. So, by default the owners lose the PR battle in my mind. Don't wanna open your books? Too bad, you are asking the players to allow you to do things that are normally illegal and all of your peers open their books to their players. Still wanna act stupidly with your lack of transparency? Fine, f*** 'em, the owners deserve all the blame until they come to the table with every piece of information the players want.

joesomebody 05-12-2011 08:54 PM

I don't care either way. Just get the dog and pony show back on the field dammit.

alnorth 05-12-2011 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 7637949)
Of course they are motivated by profit. That's the point of owning a business.

The difference is, an owner wants to profit off his football team for the rest of his life. A player knows he has a limited number of years to collect his paycheck from football.

Do you think any player gives a shit if they run the league out of business in the long run?

Answer the 3 questions I posed in my first post.

don't be dumb. The owners do not give a rat's ass about affordability, UNLESS affordability is the point where supply and demand cross on the theoretical chart. If ticket prices are affordable, I give the owners NO credit WHATSOEVER because they were FORCED into making the game affordable by solid unforgiving economics.

kcfanXIII 05-12-2011 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 7637947)
What exactly made the previous CBA "extremely successful?"

Jerry Jones was confident enough to build a billion dollar stadium. Oh ya... Its the most successful league in sports. Competitive balance that baseball fans dream of. Sorry i feel the players are entitled to all the money they can get. They are the reason butts are in the seats. They are the product that people pay 1000s of $$$ to see live, not Jerry Jones (but dont tell him.) Its not rocket science. I really expected you to be smarter then this.

DaFace 05-12-2011 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kcfanXIII (Post 7637967)
Jerry Jones was confident enough to build a billion dollar stadium. Oh ya... Its the most successful league in sports. Competitive balance that baseball fans dream of. Sorry i feel the players are entitled to all the money they can get. They are the reason butts are in the seats. They are the product that people pay 1000s of $$$ to see live, not Jerry Jones (but dont tell him.) Its not rocket science. I really expected you to be smarter then this.

Ahh...so all that success occurred between 2006-2010?

And would you say that Jerry Jones is an "average" NFL owner?

Okie_Apparition 05-12-2011 09:09 PM

Unless it's your livelihood. If the loss of an NFL season effects you enough to upset your daily exsistence. You're just a little bitch no matter what side you're on


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