The more things change, the more they remain the same.

The Chiefs with Green and the best O-Line in the game could never execute a Hail Mary.

This looked exactly the same.

Yep, Haley was in disbelief.

The Trent Green Chiefs hail mary was always a screen pass to the RB who would run for 20-30 yards and then get tackled.

The Chiefs overpaid for Steve Breaston. 5/25 for a 3rd WR with a smaller cap?

The Boldin-Haley argument got a lot of publicity right after the NFC Ch., and the Haley-Warner argument earlier that year also brought a lot of attention to him.

What I was talking about more than anything was what Todd Haley was known for. He wasn't an offensive "genius", he'd coordinated very few games, he was known for his clashes with players.

I'm not.

While I've been disappointed in Pioli thus far, I don't think he's stupid. I think he's just whiffed on evaluating some players. Namely, Tyson Jackson & Matt Cassel.

But don't you think if you were to inject some truth serum in Scott right now he'd admit "Yeah Matt Cassel isn't very good."

Take that line of thought and here right in front of you is the consensus #1 pick. The best QB prospect in years. I just can't see him passing. He might miss on evaluating some players. But he's not stupid. That move would be stupid.

Could you imagine the revolt if that was the case? Wow.

Anyone think Rob Ryan would be a good HC?

I like Romeo, but I hate to say that his scheme is probably outdated. Then again, there's also reason to believe that his bend-don't-break scheme might actually work if he had a real offense to support it. I think it's unfair to blame Haley for all this. The offensive gameplan was working really well until Charles went down. And to be fair, we're asking him to work miracles on a QB who frankly isn't very good.

This isn't a terribly talented team. Losing Berry, Charles, and Moeaki is devastating to a good team. It is suicide for an average team like the Chiefs.

We can't always blame the coaches. They have to coach what they're given to work with.

Doesn't matter, relative to the Chiefs.

I don't want a bend-don't-break defense though. I want an attacking defense that scares the shit out of teams.

I want to see a defensive minded HC that can find a competent OC to run the offense.

Yes, because in the last decade we ran it so well. Are we back to 2008. At that time we couldn't wait to get into the 3-4 and now that we have it you want to go back. Some of the best defenses in the league are 3-4, but its just too passive how we are running it now. The rules have changed since Romeo was the DC for a Super Bowl champion. The Pats also had a better line than we do. We have perhaps one serviceable lineman right now. Going back to the 4-3 puts Hali back at end where he was less than spectacular as well. Our problems are only multiplied by our big hole at safety.

I don't think there was a single person who said Breaston was overpaid at the time he was signed. $5M per year in a contract they can easily cut any time they choose is a decent deal for either party.

As for what he was known for... you can't bring up his clashes without bringing up the fact that players have an insane amount of respect for him. Warner and Keyshawn go out of their way to gush about his coaching. And let's not act like he just got credit because he shouted. He had a terrific track record coaching up receivers and most people felt that the Cardinals' offense looked really flat (even with Warner) the year after Haley left. And again, he was the offensive coordinator during the Cardinals' Super Bowl run and, yes, it's widely known that Whisenhunt gave him true coordinating responsibilities.

Don't sell short his resume to support your argument. Haley was a well respected coach with a strong track record. He's made some mistakes, but he's done some really good things despite not having a whole ton to work with. I'm a lot more pissed at Pioli than I am with Haley. To me, the two biggest flaws in the Chiefs are the Quarterback and the two-gap system (not to mention some tremendously bad luck), and those REEK of Pioli.

We've got a good number of pieces for the 3-4. It'd be reeruned to switch back now.

I do too. Like I said, I wish we went 1-gap or to a zone blitz 3-4.

But if we're being fair, the 2-gap system is meant to support a ball control offense. And it proved very effective last year when we did just that. So while I'm not a big fan of the 2-gap, I'd still like to see proof that it doesn't work if we had a solid running game AND a QB that can actually extend drives.