Sign the dude. We have the money. Especially if we cut Cassel loose (doubtful). Cut the fat off this roster and bring in some young guys via draft/fa.

Gotta sign him. Just remember Warfield and Bartee. Pull out the checkbook.

I'm not.

Who's going to be a FA that deserves it more?...

THIS.

Or, more appropriately, think back to Hasty and Carter...

I'd probably cap out any deal I gave Carr at 7/year and I'd try to front-load it.

I doubt anyone his age would go 7 without getting sick numbers.

But a front-loaded 4 or 5 year deal would kick all kinds of ass...

Because Joseph set the market for Flowers and that market wasn't going to move.

By getting the cheaper guy signed first, you can still be coy as to the value you place on the position. You can go to Carr and say "we love having you on the squad, but this is approximately what the organization is willing to spend on its corners." He can cite the Joseph contract if he wants, but you can just make the argument that Texas was a desperate organization that overvalued the position, blah blah blah. Instead, they established that they're absolutely willing to give the CB position a massive deal. Combine that with their decision to wait out the season and eliminate the 'injury' risk that often drives a low-value long-term contract and the Chiefs have lost all leverage here.

Prior to the season, Carr was seen as the clear #2 whereas Flowers was seen as the Pro-Bowl snub. I thought that made Carr a wildly undervalued asset. As such, he should've been re-signed then. Instead, by signing Flowers first, establishing the 'team value' of the position then waiting so long that their asset is no longer undervalued and they no longer have any leverage, the Chiefs have really cost themselves a lot of money and cap space.

I actually think they'll let him walk at this point rather than deal with that mistake.

Ah - here was my pre-season statement on Flowers v. Carr:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...6&postcount=18

Pioli really blew it with Carr, IMO.

Yeah. Best duo we've had since those guys. This defense is going to be really stout when we get Berry back. If Houston keeps progressing this nicely, we'll have a solid LB corps. Really the only thing we'll need is to upgrade the d-line and this defense will be BEAST.

With the new cap standard the NFL has implaced with the players this offseason, draft picks wont cost teams big $$$ & that's going to affect much of the negotiations. More teams are going be able to re sign there own top dollar players that normally would walk. I don't think that there is going be as big of a market in free agency with teams getting the draft money set aside with the new players deal. This is going be a factor for many teams in how they aproach the offseason imo.

He is more solid and a better DB than flowers.. You dont let him walk...

Nobody "deserves" anything. You decide what market price you're willing to pay. Plus, it's not about who's available on a current list somewhere. It's about giving yourself options in the distribution of your cap dollars based upon how you value of all the positions. This includes free agents, but also includes extending deals of other guys on the team as well as players that get cut or players you want the opportunity to trade for.

Ultimately, you value a position to a certain degree or you don't. It's a choice. In the Carter/Hasty days, CB was a HUGE deal for us. It's less so in our current defense compared to the safeties. Having said all that, I'd prefer to sign Carr. But not at any price. If we over-pay, I hope it's for fewer years and front-loaded, since that's where we have tons of cap space RIGHT NOW.

Spot on.

Very, very well said.

There's 2.5 million that could have gone to Carr instead of being flushed down the crapper with a flea flicker.

Who gives a ****? We have all sorts of money. Particularly if we dump Cassel.

If I'm GM I do it.

We finally got good players in a few positions. We keep them.