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Hammock Parties 12-12-2011 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8197364)
Anthony Davis was a great ILB in a 3-4. Belcher couldn't hold Davis' jock. Ray Lewis is a great 3-4 ILB. Belcher is nowhere even close.

He's a fine starter. You don't need a Pro Bowler at every position. He's better against the run than Spikes, Timmons and Bishop this year according to PFF.

You can afford to have a guy in your lineup like Belcher if he's surrounded by talent. There are lunchpail players who aren't necessarily great at everything on lots of good defenses.

You are an idiot, Pete. Everyone here keeps telling you that, so please start accepting it. Thanks.

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-12-2011 07:29 PM

Here's a question:

How many GMs have failed on their first HC, QB, and a top five pick simultaneously and gone on to do anything of note?

Hammock Parties 12-12-2011 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8197393)
Same with our DE's. The DT's job is to suck up the blocks in the middle and stand there. Not necessarily give a huge push. The push has to come from the DE's. You want the DT standing firm taking away the gap and taking up 2 blockers. We do not have a 3-4 D-line whatsoever. The only guy we have that has played in and is built for a 3-4 on the line is a guy who is so old he can't play every down.

Tyson Jackson is an ideal 3-4 defensive end.

In a 4-3 he would be a backup level player at best. He's incapable of beating an offensive tackle to the outside with speed, so he couldn't play DE. He's too tall and too light to play inside.

Pull your head out of your ass.

Hammock Parties 12-12-2011 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8197412)
Contrary to popular belief, at least as I understand it, the middle pass rush in a 3-4 is primarily going to come from a LB.

No.

The middle pass rush in our 3-4 comes from guys like Allen Bailey and Wallace Gilberry.

We don't even HAVE three defensive linemen on the field in passing situations.

Just stop posting.

petegz28 12-12-2011 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8197545)
Pete would you say the Ravens and the Steelers are the best 34 defenses in the league?


How many sacks come from their dlinemen?

I am not sure what your trying to get at here?

petegz28 12-12-2011 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8197576)
No.

The middle pass rush in our 3-4 comes from guys like Allen Bailey and Wallace Gilberry.

We don't even HAVE three defensive linemen on the field in passing situations.

Just stop posting.

Really? We don't have 3 D-lineman on 1st and 2nd down? Or are you under this belief that teams never pass on 1st and 2nd down? Or are we not to ever rush the passer on 1st and 2nd down? I fail to follow your logic on this "passing situation" crap.

Nevermind your entire argument is moot sincee as you say, in "passing situations" we are not even in a 3-4 so it's rather irrelevant.

petegz28 12-12-2011 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8197558)
He's a fine starter. You don't need a Pro Bowler at every position. He's better against the run than Spikes, Timmons and Bishop this year according to PFF.

You can afford to have a guy in your lineup like Belcher if he's surrounded by talent. There are lunchpail players who aren't necessarily great at everything on lots of good defenses.

You are an idiot, Pete. Everyone here keeps telling you that, so please start accepting it. Thanks.

how many passing yards have we given up to no-name TE's this year? You ****ing idiot.

O.city 12-12-2011 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8197652)
I am not sure what your trying to get at here?

The top teams in the league running the 34 don't get pressure from thier dlineman. Only on occasion.

petegz28 12-12-2011 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8197706)
The top teams in the league running the 34 don't get pressure from thier dlineman. Only on occasion.

Ziggy Hood has 4.5 sacks this year. Tyson Jackson has 1 in what, 3 years?

I agree the base concept is the Dlineman in a 3-4 are to suck up blocks so the LB's can make the plays. Although Omega seems to feel differently.

That being said a good 3-4 Dlineman is going to beat a 1-1 block and pressure the QB even if that means shoving his blocker back into the QB's face.

O.city 12-12-2011 07:56 PM

The reason Ziggy hood gets sacks is that he is constantly in 1 on 1 situations. Our de's get double teamed because when we are in base situations, Kelly Gregg is getting his shit pushed in by the center.

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-12-2011 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8197568)
Tyson Jackson is an ideal 3-4 defensive end.

In a 4-3 he would be a backup level player at best. He's incapable of beating an offensive tackle to the outside with speed, so he couldn't play DE. He's too tall and too light to play inside.

Pull your head out of your ass.

He's not an ideal 3-4 DEs. Even two gap DEs should get a pass rush at times.

aturnis 12-12-2011 07:57 PM

Funny article. So far, Todd Haley is the only guy in the organization who has had the balls to step up and shoulder blame...

Hammock Parties 12-12-2011 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8197669)
Really? We don't have 3 D-lineman on 1st and 2nd down?

Not always.

You don't expect your 3-4 ends in this kind of defense to provide much of a pass rush.

Dorsey and Jackson aren't doing it in ANY defensive scheme so switching to a 4-3 is a horrible idea.

petegz28 12-12-2011 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8197732)
The reason Ziggy hood gets sacks is that he is constantly in 1 on 1 situations. Our de's get double teamed because when we are in base situations, Kelly Gregg is getting his shit pushed in by the center.

So you think if we just got a NT Jackson and Dorsey would be pressuring the QB more?

aturnis 12-12-2011 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8197732)
The reason Ziggy hood gets sacks is that he is constantly in 1 on 1 situations. Our de's get double teamed because when we are in base situations, Kelly Gregg is getting his shit pushed in by the center.

Our DE's aren't doubled every play. Our NT does command double teams from time to time, also, only one guy gets doubled at a time.


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