Yeah, other coach has proven that with Wes Welker, Randy Moss, a spread offense operated entirely from the shotgun, and overall a roster that won 18 games the previous season... with that cast he can be mediocre.

He can also be mediocre against terrible teams.

Cassel blows. Haley got more out of him in 2010 than I ever thought Cassel was capable of.

"Do you feel you gave Haley the players he needed to be competitive?"

That covers Cassel just fine

Wile E Coyote self proclaimed genius. His failures time and time again have come from the use of ACME products. Even as a genius he never learned from his mistake of the usage of a product that crushed him or made him fall off of cliffs in his maniac obsession to catch the ever elusive Road Runner.

anyway ya look at it .. its another 3 years before we can compete .. HC OC QB .......

No reason for that.

This team has talent. The ****ing idea we don't is proposed by those who make excuses for HC's.

Our talent is is pretty impressive. We have 2 of the top 15 corners in the league. We have a top 10 pass rusher. We have 3 WR's that can take it to the house.

Even with injuries our front 7 is learning how to crush on the QB.

With injuries, and this schedule, this team should be 8-8.

With a HC who could take what he has and MAKE IT BETTER (the main point of a HC) we could have won this division.

I might be going out on a limb here but perhaps John Fox is that type of HC and THAT'S why they're looking at a division crown.



We won't, and this year we don't deserve to. We need to see some fail so we recognize when a real HC steps in and finds a way to truly elevate the team.

John Fox is not that type of coach. His panthers underachieved all the time.

Tebow is a terrible QB who is insanely popular. He doesn't play well, but his team just happens to always win close games.

I'm calling shenanigans.

Our offense can't even make a first down. ****ing everyone is on my shit list, Pioli is just at the top.

Wow.

Just heard the clip from yesterday's presser where Gretz asked Pioli if hiring Haley was a mistake.

"Uh, um, um, uh, uh....uncomfortable stammering"


Why can't Pioli just admit that he made a mistake?

Honestly, Pioli didn't come across as an "in control", "confident" guy in that presser. Not at all.

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Do you think part of the meeting with him and Clark was Clark telling Pioli he's on thin ice?

I don't think that really means anything at all. He was careful not to throw Haley under the bus during the presser and I think this was just a continuation of that.

He would have looked like a serious asshole if he would have said hiring Haley was a mistake. Rarely will you see a GM do that. About the only time I can really remember that is when Al Davis was throwing his coaches under the bus when he fired them.

When a guy gets fired, the GM is admitting it didn't work as he hoped it would. The question is kind of a stupid question really.

Hopefully.


Would have loved for Hunt to turn to Scott and say " Todd was the first to go, you've got 3 years, Lombardi or bust".

I have no idea as I am no longer invited to their meetings being as how I was a pro-Haley guy, and all. However, I should like to speculate out the ass like unto Mr. SensibleChiefsfan ...

After what several Planeteers mentioned regarding the presser, I went back and watched it again paying special attention to both physical and facial clues that indicate discomfort and falsification (as you know, Mr. Chiefnj2, I am a student of such things).

I determined that Clark felt far more "in control" and calm than Pioli. Clark did not outright lie during the conference, and even though he did dance around answers, he did so with composure. Pioli, on the other hand, looked very uncomfortable throughout and was either extremely ill-prepared or downright discombobulated. Pioli also resorted to lies regarding his relationship with Haley and the reasons for the dismissal at this time.

In summary, Clark is pissed off and desires a course correction that does not involve technical fouls on the HC and lots of curse words. Pioli appears to have been doused with a jug of Humility Juice.

The thing I thought that was most telling was Pioli's comment that "I have to do a better job" in reference to the roster. I think it was Gretz who posed the question ... "so ... was it coaching or talent?" that caught Pioli completely off guard and off balance. It's clear to me, at least, that Pioli is embarrassed by something ... it could be that his ass was kicked by the man sitting next to him ... or it could be that he was simply cowed by the fact that his HC choice didn't work out.

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After listening to the press and if I didn't know better? Sounds like they want to hire a twin duplicate of Haley? It was like there was nothing wrong with Haley at all & nothing to warrent the fireing of him so they just fired him any ways.

I'm happy with the canning of Haley, but left with less than desirable thrill of Pioli as GM. He says things to make himself sound good or smarter than the average Joe. He said had nothing to do with Palko and the determination that Palko should be the guy under center. They repeated the idea that we are mathmatically in the race. What hogwash is this? I don't care about the guy who gives us best chance to win a game. I want to see the guy or players that have the potential to be on this team that wins championships.

Mellinger has gone full Whitlock.