And of course, neither side makes their argument in such simplistic terms...

Methinks you're just trying to be difficult. :p

Not really.

First, those Buffalo teams were loaded with talent. A much better team than KC. Second, Buffalo had 229 yards rushing compared to KC who had about 50. IIRC DT was pulled because Buffalo was running right at him and were picking up huge chunks.

Finally, Montana's final stats were 9 of 23 with 0 TD and 1 INT. Krieg was 16 of 29 with 0 TD and 1 INT. It wasn't like Montana was having a good day when he went down.

True, but I remember a lot of dropped passes in that game.

I clearly remember Kimble Anders dropping an easy TD pass from Montana...

Not at all, Just saying both sides of the argument are used when talking about a franchise QB.

Its really nothing more than someones personal opinion when it comes to the QB position.

couldnt remember the stats thanks for posting.
that's the best the Chiefs have done in my lifetime. as a KC Chief fan (making it to the Championship Game.)

I enjoy watching you work.

I kind of remember Kreig coming into one of the playoff games while the Chiefs were down quite a bit and leading the team on a TD drive and then Montana came back in and tied it up. The Pittsburgh game?

Not really opinion at all.

Great QBs elevate the play of those around them. But they can't turn chicken shit into chicken salad. Pretty simple really.

You're saying that people use whichever argument is convenient.

I think you're right.

Although I think both arguments can be used legitimately if one is willing to actually look at the players he's supported by.

This is my opinion, and I don't care who agrees. If you have a stacked offense, then there are probably 40 QB's you can win with. The major problem is that you can't stack teams like that anymore without sacrificing somewhere else. That philosophy won Joe Gibbs quite a few rings prior to the modern FA era.

Obviously it's better to have 1 guy (a QB) making the other 10 look better than they are rather than 10 guys making a QB look good. One has a much longer shelf life.

Yup.

yeah, Krieg was streaky.
when he was Bad he was Bad but When he was on he was hard to beat.

they released him because he's old and they sucked so much without him they couldn't pass on Luck.

Yep. Lucky sons of bitches.

Ahem,

**** AND No.

If Cassel doesn't at least lead this team to a playoff win, he shouldn't even come back next year, let alone get an extention.