ChiefsPlanet
Page 5 of 23 1234 5 678915 Last »
Show 80 post(s) from this thread on one page

ChiefsPlanet (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/index.php)
-   Nzoner's Game Room (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=1)
-   -   Chiefs Pioli says Chiefs can turn around after 0-2 start (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=263899)

Tribal Warfare 09-18-2012 01:34 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/dsx2vdn7gpY?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

for anyone just reading this thread for the 1st time, this theatrical scene sums up the general sentiment

FAX 09-18-2012 01:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 8925335)
Mellinger is spot-on with what he wrote this morning. There's no trust. In fact, the more Pioli says it, the LESS we believe it.

So there's no proven connection between more spending and winning? But is there a proven correlation between not spending and guaranteed losing?

And there's certainly a proven connection between having elite franchise QB's and winning championships, yet Pioli continues to ignore that, hang his hat on "The Patriot Way", (which ironically is built around an elite franchise QB that in their collective genius they themselves passed on 5 times before picking), and "The Right 53."

He could win back the fans very quickly by admitting that mistakes were made and that great leaders re-evaluate themselves and do things differently. But it's not in his constitution. He could win hearts by saying that until we become a champion, that he has failed. Instead, he says that the goal is to "get better, improve, and win some games"?

He hides behind the curtain of arrogance, this "I know what the fans are saying but this is the truth" stuff. But the reality is that he's actually the LAST to know what all of us have figured out:

It ain't working. And if it ain't working, you have to change it.
Excellent points all, and well stated, Mr. CaliforniaChief.

I award this post 19 Cassel balls.

FAX

Black Bob 09-18-2012 01:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8925308)
They actually changed the rules for how a bonus can be spread to eliminate that loophole.

That's why players aren't getting crazy signing bonuses anymore and the focus is on guaranteed dollars.

I've been saying this about our spending for over a year now...the only reason we are under the cap right now is due to the rollover.
Thanks. That's more in line with what I thought and I thought I read that somewhere. It's going to be a even playing field starting next year and Clark wanted this. He was a major part of the negociating this.

We did roll over money. I think it would have been used on Manning if possible. I think we could have used more free agents but they have to want to come to KC. Several guys came to visit and left. Tolbert was one. Yeremiah Bell was another. Aubrayu Franklin? There were more.

I personally do not think Clark is cheap. I think he's in over his head and being manipulated but he's not cheap.

DaneMcCloud 09-18-2012 01:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8925356)
I personally do not think Clark is cheap. I think he's in over his head and being manipulated but he's not cheap.
He's cheap.

He failed to write a check for $25 million to Brandon Carr for guaranteed upfront money and he failed to write a similar check to Dwayne Bowe.

Don't fool yourself: He's cheap.

Black Bob 09-18-2012 01:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 8925360)
He's cheap.

He failed to write a check for $25 million to Brandon Carr for guaranteed upfront money and he failed to write a similar check to Dwayne Bowe.

Don't fool yourself: He's cheap.
Carr's a mystery but I get not signing Bowe long term. We can tag him once or twice and force him to play hard.

Maybe Carr just really wanted to go to Dallas and didn't want to stay?

FAX 09-18-2012 01:44 PM
As a scientist and self-motivated raconteur, I've taken it upon myself to conduct some grass-level research into this matter. I've checked out twitter and several other Chiefs sites and even looked at the comments sections below articles and things.

Here's what I have found; there are a ton of Chiefs fans who firmly believe that their role is to support the team through thick or thin. In fact, they think that it is their responsibility to bolster the team's self-image by purchasing Chiefs stuff and going to games when we suck. This, of course, is odd considering it's very similar to sending Hitler a get well card after he shot himself.

These people believe what Pioli and Crennel say. They will never waiver and they will never quit on the team. That, my friends is why the Chiefs have been able to dump elephant dung on our heads for 50 years and call it manna. Because these people are so committed, I fear that our dreams of mutiny are out of reach and our goals to overthrow the installed powers are hopeless. It is time to drink and drink heavily. Or, should you happen to possess some marijuana, that would probably work too.

FAX

The Franchise 09-18-2012 01:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8925362)
Carr's a mystery but I get not signing Bowe long term. We can tag him once or twice and force him to play hard.

Maybe Carr just really wanted to go to Dallas and didn't want to stay?
He didn't offer Carr that contract because he didn't want Flowers to get pissed. Pioli is a ****ing idiot.

CaliforniaChief 09-18-2012 01:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 8925339)
Personally I think Pioli is headed in the right direction, our roster is better than it was 4 years ago and again we need a better QB but who's availabe ??? I know draft one but it's an awful high risk with a first round pick.
There's less risk with not drafting one than to try. Especially now that the signing bonuses for first rounders won't break the bank or kill the franchise for years to come.

DaneMcCloud 09-18-2012 01:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackBob (Post 8925362)
Carr's a mystery but I get not signing Bowe long term. We can tag him once or twice and force him to play hard.

Maybe Carr just really wanted to go to Dallas and didn't want to stay?
A contract was never offered, so he never had an opportunity to choose.

Clark Hunt is cheap. Don't fool yourself.

CaliforniaChief 09-18-2012 01:45 PM
Bowe is an elite receiver and should be paid as such. There's just no doubt about that.

DaneMcCloud 09-18-2012 01:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 8925339)
I know draft one but it's an awful high risk with a first round pick.
The Chiefs should have given up their entire 2012 draft and next year's number one for RGIII.

If that had happened, would the Chiefs currently be 0-2 and outscored a billion to one?

Would anyone miss Poe, Allen, Stephanson, Menzie, Wylie or Hemingway?

Chiefnj2 09-18-2012 01:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 8925376)
The Chiefs should have given up their entire 2012 draft and next year's number one for RGIII.

If that had happened, would the Chiefs currently be 0-2 and outscored a billion to one?

Would anyone miss Poe, Allen, Stephanson, Menzie, Wylie or Hemingway?
How about Stafford v. Jackson, Cassel, Magee, Berry, McCluster, Arenas ??

Black Bob 09-18-2012 01:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FAX (Post 8925365)

These people believe what Pioli and Crennel say. They will never waiver and they will never quit on the team. That, my friends is why the Chiefs have been able to dump elephant dung on our heads for 50 years and call it manna. Because these people are so committed, I fear that our dreams of mutiny are out of reach and our goals to overthrow the installed powers are hopeless. It is time to drink and drink heavily. Or, should you happen to possess some marijuana, that would probably work too.

FAX
Good post and I agree. It's going to be impossible to get your average Joe Fan to care if we win a few games.

Quote:
He didn't offer Carr that contract because he didn't want Flowers to get pissed. Pioli is a ****ing idiot.
Said the reporter... Maybe that was specualtion? It would be hard to prove that...

I want Pioli out.

ToxSocks 09-18-2012 01:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8925234)
At this point, isn't this what we need?
I don't feel that way.

Ideally, we need to see an epic collapse by CASSEL, and we need the rest of the team to play well.

There are plenty of players on this team that i feel are, and should be, major contributers to this team. An epic collapse would mean that those players aren't who we thought they were, and that the team would need to be rebuilt from top to bottom AGAIN.

I don't feel like waiting another 3-4 years.

I'd much rather RaC figure it out, the D figure it out, and Cassel shit his pants and force his way off the starting lineup.

ChiefsCountry 09-18-2012 01:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 8925360)
He's cheap.

He failed to write a check for $25 million to Brandon Carr for guaranteed upfront money and he failed to write a similar check to Dwayne Bowe.

Don't fool yourself: He's cheap.
Could care less about Brandon Carr. They needed to open the check book for Bowe though.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:44 AM.
Page 5 of 23 1234 5 678915 Last »
Show 80 post(s) from this thread on one page

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.