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chiefzilla1501 06-01-2013 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9723537)
when McCluster is getting 3 yard screen passes and takes them for -2 yards on 3rd down that should be going to Charles, I wont be happy.

I just think hes going to be taking balls from Charles in the short passing game and that's pretty much it.

No one ever took shit away from Shady McCoy he ran between the tackles and took the dump offs. I expect the same from Charles and not trying to fit a square midget gadget peg in a round hole but forcing him into plays

I dont' see that as his role at all. He's going to be used as misdirection for Charles and he'll run more of the receiver routes Charles can't run (Charles is not a good receiver. He is, as you say, a pure screen and dump off guy). If anybody is going to be a change-of-pace back, it will be Knile Davis. I'm expecting Charles to get about 200 carries and 50+ receptions, which is standard for any Reid back.

keg in kc 06-01-2013 12:28 PM

The only thing Dex makes anyone miss is Dante Hall.

mcaj22 06-01-2013 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9723545)
I dont' see that as his role at all. He's going to be used as misdirection for Charles and he'll run more of the receiver routes Charles can't run (Charles is not a good receiver. He is, as you say, a pure screen and dump off guy). If anybody is going to be a change-of-pace back, it will be Knile Davis. I'm expecting Charles to get about 200 carries and 50+ receptions, which is standard for any Reid back.

so you think McCluster will play more slot/WR hybrid than RB/screen/dump off?

in that case then, one of the WRs loses a spot on the depth chart to McCluster, its either Avery or Baldwin, pick your poison

cause then you are essentially running 2 WRs, McCluster, Charles, and at least 1 TE and 1 FB or 2 TEs

really there are not enough balls in the entire state of kansas for Fasano, Kelce/Moeaki, Bowe/Baldwin/Avery/McCluster then Charles/Davis

there is going to be an odd man out standing on the sidelines with a very low snap count this season, I just dont know who that will be.

chiefzilla1501 06-01-2013 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9723556)
so you think McCluster will play more slot/WR hybrid than RB/screen/dump off?

in that case then, one of the WRs loses a spot on the depth chart to McCluster, its either Avery or Baldwin, pick your poison

cause then you are essentially running 2 WRs, McCluster, Charles, and at least 1 TE and 1 FB or 2 TEs

really there are not enough balls in the entire state of kansas for Fasano, Kelce/Moeaki, Bowe/Baldwin/Avery/McCluster then Charles/Davis

there is going to be an odd man out standing on the sidelines with a very low snap count this season, I just dont know who that will be.

Not really. McCluster will probably see less action on running downs, where you might want that extra tight end, an extra back, or a fullback in there. On some of those running downs, you might see him swap in for the fullback just to give some more creative running options.

If McCluster plays well, there's a role for him to get plenty of snaps where he's a valuable guy to have on the field. That's a big "if" as he has to play a lot better than he has to date.

Hammock Parties 06-01-2013 01:10 PM

How is McCluster valuable in any way?

Does he provide big plays?

Does he make people miss?

Does he pick up first downs?

Does he score touchdowns?

Does the scare the defense in any way?

The answer to all of those questions...is no.

chiefzilla1501 06-01-2013 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Branden Albert's Huge Balls (Post 9723585)
How is McCluster valuable in any way?

Does he provide big plays?

Does he make people miss?

Does he pick up first downs?

Does he score touchdowns?

Does the scare the defense in any way?

The answer to all of those questions...is no.

We have the best special teams coach in the NFL and a bunch of good offensive minds that disagree with you.

I haven't seen him to it yet on the NFL level. I know he has to improve a ton. But I also think it's silly that we're so convinced he has nothing to offer. What I've seen of him in college and in the combine is he has tremendous quick twitch agility but he just hasn't used it well in the NFL. I'm not sold on him yet, but I also think it's far too soon to say he's through.

Hammock Parties 06-01-2013 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9723592)
We have the best special teams coach in the NFL and a bunch of good offensive minds that disagree with you.

There are lots of dumb people in the NFL.

Anyone who thinks McCluster is an asset beyond "warm body" is obtuse.

Players don't improve on their ability to make people miss at this stage in their careers.

Time to flush McTurd or we'll just be wasting touches on him.

chiefzilla1501 06-01-2013 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Branden Albert's Huge Balls (Post 9723593)
There are lots of dumb people in the NFL.

Anyone who thinks McCluster is an asset beyond "warm body" is obtuse.

Players don't improve on their ability to make people miss at this stage in their careers.

Time to flush McTurd or we'll just be wasting touches on him.

No offense, buddy. I'm in no ways an apologist for Andy Reid. But I trust he knows a little more about offense and that Toub knows a little more about special teams than you do.

Reid has a proven track record of knowing offense. Toub is the best in the game at special teams. Of course these guys can and have made mistakes. But again, these guys have a good enough track record that you can't just chalk it up to them being dumb.

Hammock Parties 06-01-2013 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9723598)
No offense, buddy. I'm in no ways an apologist for Andy Reid. But I trust he knows a little more about offense and that Toub knows a little more about special teams than you do.

Reid has a proven track record of knowing offense. Toub is the best in the game at special teams. Of course these guys can and have made mistakes. But again, these guys have a good enough track record that you can't just chalk it up to them being dumb.

Here we go again. :LOL:

"X is in the NFL, therefore he is more knowledgeable than you!"

Andy Reid is the same maroon who thought Freddie Mitchell was a BAMF, so these guys can and do make mistakes.

Reid was enamored with Dex coming out in the draft so it's not surprise he wants to give him a shot now.

Soon as he starts shitting out every orifice of his body again, he'll be toast.

And I will raise a toast.

chiefzilla1501 06-01-2013 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Branden Albert's Huge Balls (Post 9723601)
Here we go again. :LOL:

"X is in the NFL, therefore he is more knowledgeable than you!"

Andy Reid is the same maroon who thought Freddie Mitchell was a BAMF, so these guys can and do make mistakes.

Reid was enamored with Dex coming out in the draft so it's not surprise he wants to give him a shot now.

Soon as he starts shitting out every orifice of his body again, he'll be toast.

And I will raise a toast.

I am pointing out that Andy Reid has coached offenses for years and he has coached them well. Yes, they make mistakes and yes you can disagree with their decisions, but claiming they're stupid and you're right is another thing.

This is different from Alex Smith where they were maybe taking whatever options they could get. This is an example of a guy Reid could have easily cut or taken out of his plans, and he chose not to.

Hammock Parties 06-01-2013 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9723608)
This is an example of a guy Reid could have easily cut or taken out of his plans, and he chose not to.

The Chiefs have shit and poop at WR. Dex is only on the roster because of that. The lone fact he had one game above 80 yards receiving last year means he makes the roster.

Mother****erJones 06-01-2013 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Branden Albert's Huge Balls (Post 9723585)
How is McCluster valuable in any way?

Does he provide big plays? One

Does he make people miss? NO

Does he pick up first downs? Half yards

Does he score touchdowns? One

Does the scare the defense in any way? ROFL

The answer to all of those questions...is no.

He sucks

Hammock Parties 06-01-2013 01:39 PM

I still remember that third and 1 play where we threw it to Dex and he got a half yard.

That's who he is.

OrtonsPiercedTaint 06-01-2013 01:41 PM

He needs to follow Tamba's lead and shave his head. Mofo mojo

RealSNR 06-01-2013 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9723608)
I am pointing out that Andy Reid has coached offenses for years and he has coached them well. Yes, they make mistakes and yes you can disagree with their decisions, but claiming they're stupid and you're right is another thing.

This is different from Alex Smith where they were maybe taking whatever options they could get. This is an example of a guy Reid could have easily cut or taken out of his plans, and he chose not to.

Bright coaches get unnecessary chubbies for bad players all the time. It happens. You're going to make mistakes in player evaluations. The truly great ones are the guys who flush those mistakes the quickest and move on from their mistakes.

Pioli never did that, and that's one of the big reasons why we were 2-12 last year.

Reid can give McCluster one last chance. I'm fine with that. But when McCluster inevitably disappoints like he does every year, it's Andy Reid's job to fix that mistake and move on. If he doesn't fix it and keeps trying to make it work, guess what he's being?

He's being stupid.

That's true for ANY ****ing coach. I don't give a shit if you're Romeo Crennel or Vince ****ing Lombardi.


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