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Dave Lane 05-15-2014 08:39 AM
Just checking in here...

Are we at RECONSTRUCTION & WORKING THROUGH or at the ACCEPTANCE & HOPE stage?

Dave Lane 05-15-2014 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 10629653)
sacc's dream draft would like this:

1. Mazlowski
2. Mazlowski
3. Mazlowski
4. Mazlowski
5. Mazlowski
6. Mazlowski
7. Mazlowski



over-achieving schlub who puts up meaningless numbers and isn't in any way a game changer...aka a guard
As a very slight defense of Mazlowski, once he went down our defense folded like a cheap suit. Before then it was just horrid. Sac however I have no defense for. However I was just in Utah and I can see why he would be insane.

Direckshun 05-15-2014 05:30 PM
I think he ends up being Elvis Dumervil.

O.city 05-15-2014 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10631970)
I think he ends up being Elvis Dumervil.
Is that bad?

Direckshun 05-15-2014 06:45 PM
It's great, if it works out. He's been a boom to every defense he's played on.

There just aren't a lot of Dumervils in the NFL, because their bodytype and skillset don't translate to the NFL very well. It's harder for somebody who look and play like Dumervil to succeed than, say, someone who looks and plays like Houston.

But I think Ford very much can be Dumervil, with all his strengths and weaknesses. If he lands, he's a perfect player for that Hali role in our D. If he lands.

RunKC 05-16-2014 08:52 AM
Ford fits the mold of every draft pick Dorsey wants.

He gets high potential unfinished products whose negatives are very fixable. Fisher, Kelce, Ford and Gaines all have massive potential, but they have minor problems such as strength and form (aka technique, tackling, overpursing and missing the run game).

He's relying on the coaching staff to make these picks explode. It's kinda like Poe, except these guys have all had way more production to their name.

O.city 05-16-2014 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10633036)
Ford fits the mold of every draft pick Dorsey wants.

He gets high potential unfinished products whose negatives are very fixable. Fisher, Kelce, Ford and Gaines all have massive potential, but they have minor problems such as strength and form (aka technique, tackling, overpursing and missing the run game).

He's relying on the coaching staff to make these picks explode. It's kinda like Poe, except these guys have all had way more production to their name.
All the potential in the world doesn't matter if they're in the cold tub like last years draft class.

RunKC 05-16-2014 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10633060)
All the potential in the world doesn't matter if they're in the cold tub like last years draft class.
I agree, but this goes hand in hand with some of these guys. For example, Fisher putting muscle on his frame should help protect him from injury.

306 lbs is too small for a guy that's 6'7". I think him moving that to 320-325 with more muscle on his frame will make a big difference with his struggles from last year.

We'll see though

O.city 05-16-2014 09:44 AM
It's more about leverage for fisher. All the muscle he can add won't make a difference if he's always on his heels.

It's also a little concerning when every pick you make you think "get him in our program and put weight in him".

Naturally, these guys are all going to put muscle in being in a strength program professionally though so I don't think it's really a huge deal.

I like that we are picking big fast hyper athletic guys instead of Boy Scouts who were team captains.

Size does matter to a degree, but you can't teach athleticism ad instincts

planetdoc 05-16-2014 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10631970)
I think he ends up being Elvis Dumervil.
Dumerville is far more squatty than Dee Ford.
Dumerville is 5'11'', and 260lbs.

Dee Ford 6'2.1''
Hali 6'3''
khalil mack 6'2.5''
robert mathis 6'2''
Junior Galette 6'2''
Olivier Vernon 6'2''
charles johnson 6'2''
Jerry Hughes 6'2''
shaun phillips 6'3''
Suggs 6'3''
Ahmad Brooks 6'3''
Trent Cole 6'3''
Jason Worilds 6'2''
Clay Mathews 6'3''
Lavonte David 6'1''

OldSchool 05-16-2014 01:19 PM
Yeah, I see Ford as much more of a Mathis/Freeney-type of a pass rusher.

Difference between Ford and Mathis though is that Mathis has 34 1/4" arms while Ford's are only 32 7/8" long. Ford basically has the minimum length that you need to be good.

Saccopoo 05-16-2014 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10629602)
It's pretty obvious that Dee Ford was not a finished product last year and he kept getting better and better as time went on.
You can't really ask for much from him in terms of coverage bc he rarely did that at Auburn.
Looking at his tape, his run stopping problems seem to be bc he is over pursuing. This would be coachable and I bet that's the thought behind this.
He still needs to get stronger, but a year in an nfl weight training program should help.

Dorsey is picking players based on potential and he's starting them off slow. He did it with Fisher and now he's doing it with Ford. Let's see what happens.
Dude...he threw Fisher to the wolves. Started him out at RT from day one. He will have the luxury of starting out Ford slow as there are two studs incumbents at both OLB spots. He'll probably see some snaps here and there, but his lion's share of work will most likely be on special teams - at least to start.

At least to me, that a steep price to pay for a first round pick considering the glaring, obvious holes at WR, OL and S.

RunKC 05-17-2014 04:06 PM
Ford will play in the wide 9 a lot and in the nickel, which we played the entire playoff game. I see them doing that against pure passing teams, including the 2 in our division.

I bet Ford and Gaines get a lot of PT this year.

The Franchise 05-19-2014 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10634100)
Dude...he threw Fisher to the wolves. Started him out at RT from day one. He will have the luxury of starting out Ford slow as there are two studs incumbents at both OLB spots. He'll probably see some snaps here and there, but his lion's share of work will most likely be on special teams - at least to start.

At least to me, that a steep price to pay for a first round pick considering the glaring, obvious holes at WR, OL and S.
So we should have reached on who? Jimmie Ward was realistically the only option at 23 and they weren't taking him because they view Commings and Abdullah as competent starters.

Sweet Daddy Hate 05-19-2014 03:43 PM
I love the pick.


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