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ToxSocks 06-10-2015 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11543163)
It's supposed to be a run to the outside. He didn't shuffle and decide to bounce it, it's designed to go outside of Kelce sealing moore.

I understand it's a run to the outside. Fact is, there was no block, he looked right at the defender and tried to bounce it to the outside anyway when it wasn't there instead of pushing forward.

It's not really debatable.

And yes, he shuffled his feet while trying to make a half assed move on the defender instead of simply going forward.

O.city 06-10-2015 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11543022)
This may not be the play you were thinking of and it appears to be a counter, but when you see a hole like that in a short yardage situation, you hit it and get that fresh set of downs.

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Techniqually,I think the designed hole is supposed to be outside the fullback and lt down block with Kelce kicking out moore. Hudson didn't get his head accross the ilb and it kind of all got mushed.

Rock and a hard place. Situation being what it was, duck your head in that hole and fall forward for a furst, but they swung for a big play

GoShox 06-10-2015 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11543140)
Exactly. They wanted a big play in a situation where the defense was keying on a a or b gap run. They were crashing.

Count the defenders, if Kelce makes that block Davis scores.

He did what he's coached to do.

Yeah, he's pretty clearly following the play call. Kelce blows his block and it's game over after that.

Bob Dole 06-10-2015 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GoShox (Post 11543171)
Yeah, he's pretty clearly following the play call. Kelce blows his block and it's game over after that.

If Alex would throw deep, it's not even an issue.

O.city 06-10-2015 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 11543168)
I understand it's a run to the outside. Fact is, there was no block, he looked right at the defender and tried to bounce it to the outside anyway when it wasn't there instead of pushing forward.

It's not really debatable.

And yes, he shuffled his feet while trying to make a half assed move on the defender instead of simply going forward.

Sorry, but he's supposed to follow kelce and play off his block. It's a counter play. Yes kelce missed said block but by that time, it's too late. Moore undercut the block and blew it up.

O.city 06-10-2015 03:54 PM

Once kelce ****ed it up, knile should have just fallen forward though, so yes I do agree with that

Ming the Merciless 06-10-2015 03:56 PM

2 YPC isnt THAT much of a gap

lol

ToxSocks 06-10-2015 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11543177)
Sorry, but he's supposed to follow kelce and play off his block. It's a counter play. Yes kelce missed said block but by that time, it's too late. Moore undercut the block and blew it up.

Sure, that's how it's designed, but it didn't happen the way it was designed, so he needs to use his vision to adjust and make the right choice.

Original point being, he does it more than he should.

ToxSocks 06-10-2015 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 11543180)
2 YPC isnt THAT much of a gap

lol

Cumulative it is....

Meatloaf 06-10-2015 04:02 PM

Might not be a gap between Knile and Charles, but there sure as hell is between his ears. What in the world is Knile thinking? I mean, I want my players confidant, but they also need to be realistic! He ain't nowhere near Charles. NOWHERE.

Knile needs to put some decent numbers up and THEN start talkin'. Good grief.

Mav 06-10-2015 04:13 PM

A gap in 40 times? That I can see. In football ability? And I'm a Davis guy, and a guy who thought when Charles was at Texas that he would be a change of pace back, at best, but Jamal is a monster.

chefsos 06-10-2015 04:25 PM

I smell another visit to Knile's room at TC...

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BossChief 06-10-2015 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 11543182)
Sure, that's how it's designed, but it didn't happen the way it was designed, so he needs to use his vision to adjust and make the right choice.

Original point being, he does it more than he should.

He shouldn't trust Kelce to make his block?

He should forego the play and run into the gap that was filled by 2 defenders?

Sorry, no. He shouldn't have. He should trust his guy to make his block and spring him for the TD.

This is like blaming the QB for taking a sack when a corner comes unblocked on a blitz...even though his hot read was covered.

milkman 06-10-2015 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11543140)
Exactly. They wanted a big play in a situation where the defense was keying on a a or b gap run. They were crashing.

Count the defenders, if Kelce makes that block Davis scores.

He did what he's coached to do.

You just explained the difference between a great back and one that might be good.

A great back is instinctive, with vision, and makes plays outside the design.

A good back does what he's coached to do.

That's the gap between Charles and Davis.

ToxSocks 06-10-2015 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11543236)
He shouldn't trust Kelce to make his block?

He should forego the play and run into the gap that was filled by 2 defenders?

Sorry, no. He shouldn't have. He should trust his guy to make his block and spring him for the TD.

This is like blaming the QB for taking a sack when a corner comes unblocked on a blitz...even though his hot read was covered.

He should open his ****ing eyes and realize Kelce whiffed. You keep resorting to this "filled by two defenders" nonsense. Sure, it's filled if you need a 5 yard run, not a few inches.

Your QB comparison is lame.


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