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BigMeatballDave 09-27-2015 08:21 AM

Tyson Jackson is a much larger bust than Fisher simply based on salary.

chiefzilla1501 09-27-2015 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Mav (Post 11756846)
Those are good. Although I tend to go easy on Carr for the same reason I went easy on Alex and Tim couch. The talent around them and dysfunction of the franchises hurt them.

And this only applies to Carr and Couch. It's hard to know if they were that bad because of it.

ChiefsPlanet loves to speak in exaggeration.

Jamarcus, Courtney Brown, Carter. Fisher is easily not bottom 3. If Fisher ends up being even a quality backup, he'll beat out Couch, Carr, and Emtman. Would even throw in Jeff George.

We're also comparing Fisher to a bunch of hyped consensus #1 picks. You can't compare him to Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck because there was no consensus #1 in the class. It was the best of the worst. So we can't compare Fisher to other #1's. We have to compare him to the top 10 of his class. And if he is even just an average starter at RT, he'll already be better than most of the top 10 in that class.

I still hate the Fisher pick. But JFC, can we please cut it out with the exaggeration?

Brock 09-27-2015 08:37 AM

He isn't a huge bust. Just a giant puss.

chiefzilla1501 09-27-2015 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 11756873)
He isn't a huge bust. Just a giant puss.

Much more accurate statement

milkman 09-27-2015 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mav (Post 11756846)
Those are good. Although I tend to go easy on Carr for the same reason I went easy on Alex and Tim couch. The talent around them and dysfunction of the franchises hurt them.

And this only applies to Carr and Couch. It's hard to know if they were that bad because of it.

I didn't watch Couch much, but David Carr was terrible, and he made his O-Lines look far worse than they were.

The season that the Texans signed Shaub, the same O-Line, with one "upgrade", Jordan Black, commonly referred to a "I-70" in Kansas City, gave up half as many sacks as they did the previous season with Carr at QB.

Alex Smith is slow on his progressions, but I am not sure that Carr even ever heard of the concept.

That guy was the William Bartee of QBs.

SAUTO 09-27-2015 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11756138)
This.

He looked great in his one preseason appearance. Let's hope he keeps it up.

Splatbass said the the same thing. How much did fisher play in that game?

milkman 09-27-2015 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 11756891)
Splatbass said the the same thing. How much did fisher play in that game?

A qtr and a half?

He was injured in practice the following Monday.

Chiefaholic 09-27-2015 09:00 AM

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SAUTO 09-27-2015 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11756893)
A qtr and a half?

He was injured in practice the following Monday.

Makes sense, pretty sure these are the same guys hanging on to Alex smiths playoff game against the saints...

Mr. Laz 09-27-2015 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11756814)
Jeff Allen is actually probably better at this point than LDT.

LDT is starting right now, not because he is the best player today, but because he will likely be the best player by season's end.

**** Jeff Allen, he can't stay healthy and hasn't proven anything anyway.


Just leave LDT at RG and let him develop

If they stay healthy Stephenson,Grubb,Morse,LDT,Fisher should be our Oline for the rest of the year. Allen and Reid can be our swing backups.

Saccopoo 09-27-2015 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11756966)
**** Jeff Allen, he can't stay healthy and hasn't proven anything anyway.


Just leave LDT at RG and let him develop

If they stay healthy Stephenson,Grubb,Morse,LDT,Fisher should be our Oline for the rest of the year. Allen and Reid can be our swing backups.

I agree. The bonus with Allen is that he can play all five offensive line positions. That's invaluable in terms of a back up offensive line player. Add Fulton into the mix and it's a pretty solid looking interior as it moves along and gains continuity.

(And, for what it's worth, the coaching staff was really on Allen's jock in the summer, saying he was the best O-lineman out there. Guy has just had some shit luck in terms of injury and might just best serve the team as the main backup at this point.)

I think that they could potentially upgrade Reid in the next draft, but he's a young player and could potentially develop into that decent swing tackle type of guy. If Fisher can stay healthy from here on out and they can build some continuity, I think it's a pretty good and deep (but young) offensive line. One that you can really build up going forward from this point on.

aturnis 09-27-2015 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 11756994)

(And, for what it's worth, the coaching staff was really on Allen's jock in the summer, saying he was the best O-lineman out there.

Link? Never once heard this out of training camp, OTA's, etc

I do remember you slobbing on his nuts since forever. For no good reason might I add.
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 11756994)
I agree. The bonus with Allen is that he can play all five offensive line positions. That's invaluable in terms of a back up offensive line player. Add Fulton into the mix and it's a pretty solid looking interior as it moves along and gains continuity.

(And, for what it's worth, the coaching staff was really on Allen's jock in the summer, saying he was the best O-lineman out there. Guy has just had some shit luck in terms of injury and might just best serve the team as the main backup at this point.)

I think that they could potentially upgrade Reid in the next draft, but he's a young player and could potentially develop into that decent swing tackle type of guy. If Fisher can stay healthy from here on out and they can build some continuity, I think it's a pretty good and deep (but young) offensive line. One that you can really build up going forward from this point on.


DaneMcCloud 09-27-2015 08:23 PM

My only hope is that Fisher kicks as tomorrow night.

If not, the position may be a swinging door all season.

BullJunkandIron 09-27-2015 09:06 PM

All based on the Alex release time divided by how long he holds it.

RollChiefsRoll 09-27-2015 09:14 PM

"He's a pretty good athlete."

(#1 overall draft pick)


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