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oaklandhater 10-06-2015 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 11779817)
DJ is old and was hurt last year.


On top of all that we have an idiot defensive coordinator. I think the majority (including me) on this board thought with the return of Sean Smith the secondary would look better.

Well, it didn't.

If gaines was still out there I think our d would look better

The Franchise 10-06-2015 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11779791)
Sutton can't be the scapegoat for three years of offensive line failure and Red zone failures yet again

No....Heck can take care of that for him.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 10-06-2015 04:44 PM

Defense wins championships. I'll say it every week we lose and give up more than 20 points.

Three7s 10-06-2015 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonzie04 (Post 11779796)
Our defense should still be way better than it is but a lot of our guys aren't nearly as good as we thought.
Below average guys that are supposed to be pro bowlers
DJ
Poe
Berry
Hali
Then we have a few guys in the secondary who can't tackle to save their lives
Ron Parker has to be one of the worst tackling safeties in the entire league.
Sean Smith gives no effort against the run
Peters while willing, hasn't been tackling well.
Gaines same situation as peters

Bailey is average at best against the run, he's got a few sacks but generally applies no pressure.
Howard is an animal against the run but can't pas Rush at all.
Abdullah is average.
Mauga, Fleming, Cooper are all God awful.

Hali is an old man that has nothing left. Have you noticed how terrible he's been in run defense? No containment on outside runs at all. I've really yet to form an opinion of Berry as I hardly ever hear his name called during a game. One thing is for certain. With Hali falling off a cliff, Houston has to generate a pass-rush all by himself. That's not possible and that's why there's no pressure. No pressure=burnt secondary

jonzie04 10-06-2015 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 11779801)
or ya know, it could be the one trick pony defensive scheme and awful coaching putting these guys in the wrong place.

I don't believe in that many good players just all magically lose their football talent and become below average/invisible in one offseason. A whole side of the ball doesn't lose their talent that quick.

Obviously Sutton plays a big role, and he is putting a lot of his guys in position to fail, and he isn't putting guys in position to succeed. Branch covering Cobb in the slot, Berry being the single high safety vs being the box safety which is what got him first team all pro honors.. Parker our saftey with the most range, who also can't tackle playing in the box, Hali playing man coverage against a 4.5 TE, Our only edge rusher worth a hoot (Houston) dropping back on obvious passing downs etc. But in the end of the day our so called pro bowlers aren't even playing at an average level... They all have legitimate reasons, but it's the gods honest truth. And that is not Suttons fault.
DJ is old and is coming off an achilles injury. Hali is old, Poe was average last year, and he's coming off a back injury, Berry just had a cancer a few months ago.

You can blame Sutton for a hell of a lot of things, but you cant blame him for Hali not contaning the edge on literally every outside play to his side. You can't blame him for Poe getting blown off the ball, and not getting any sort of pass rush what so ever. You can't blame him for DJ getting blocked out of plays, whiffing on tackles, and getting burnt in coverage by running backs. You can't blame him for our entire secondary offering 0 run support. You can't blame him Allen Bailey getting blown off the ball, and getting 2 pressures on the QB all game.

jonzie04 10-06-2015 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 11779838)
Hali is an old man that has nothing left. Have you noticed how terrible he's been in run defense? No containment on outside runs at all. I've really yet to form an opinion of Berry as I hardly ever hear his name called during a game. One thing is for certain. With Hali falling off a cliff, Houston has to generate a pass-rush all by himself. That's not possible and that's why there's no pressure. No pressure=burnt secondary

EVERY SINGLE FREAKING PLAY.

Hammock Parties 10-06-2015 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 11779834)
Defense wins championships. I'll say it every week we lose and give up more than 20 points.

The Patriots won 35-31 and 28-24 in the playoffs and SB last year.

The last 10 Super Bowls champions were on the winning end of these scores in the playoffs and/or SB:

35-31
28-24
38-35
34-31
48-21
31-25
31-28
35-24
27-23
23-20
38-34
41-27
24-21


If you can't score more than 21 points in the playoffs you are not winning a championship:

oaklandhater 10-06-2015 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 11779834)
Defense wins championships. I'll say it every week we lose and give up more than 20 points.


- 2003 ravens balanced teams win championships

bevischief 10-06-2015 05:09 PM

Never go full reerun and they have reached that point.

oaklandhater 10-06-2015 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bevischief (Post 11779858)
Never go full reerun and they have reached that point.

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OnTheWarpath15 10-06-2015 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs (Post 11779847)
The Patriots won 35-31 and 28-24 in the playoffs and SB last year.

The last 10 Super Bowls champions were on the winning end of these scores in the playoffs and/or SB:

35-31
28-24
38-35
34-31
48-21
31-25
31-28
35-24
27-23
23-20
38-34
41-27
24-21


If you can't score more than 21 points in the playoffs you are not winning a championship:

Ballgame. Good night folks, drive safely.

Mr. Laz 10-06-2015 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11779614)
The NFL is a collectively conservative organization.

If Alex Smith has such ardent defenders here and in other NFL fan discussion venues in spite of his obvious deficiencies, then you have to believe that pro personnel guys and coaches inside and outside of Kansas City think that Smith isn't the problem we know him to be. In their minds, there is more value in chasing good money after bad by investing in draft picks for the offensive line and defense and spending FA cash to receivers in order to make Smith look serviceable.

You truly cannot go a single thread without bleeding all over the place about Smith, can you.

tk13 10-06-2015 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs (Post 11779847)
The Patriots won 35-31 and 28-24 in the playoffs and SB last year.

The last 10 Super Bowls champions were on the winning end of these scores in the playoffs and/or SB:

35-31
28-24
38-35
34-31
48-21
31-25
31-28
35-24
27-23
23-20
38-34
41-27
24-21


If you can't score more than 21 points in the playoffs you are not winning a championship:

The Seahawks allowed 8 points in the Super Bowl, so you're obviously missing something here. This is extremely disingenuous.

Yes you have to be able to score points... but this theory that offense is all that matters isn't right. When Aaron Rodgers won, he had a top 5 defense. He hasn't since, and how many titles has he won? The Patriots had the 8th ranked defense last year. The Seahawks have had one of the best defenses in modern history the last two years.

And even the teams that won with poor defensive seasons played well in the playoffs. The 2011 Giants were terrible on defense during the year, but allowed 14 ppg in the playoffs. The 2006 Colts were awful on defense, they got eviscerated by Jacksonville at the end of the regular season. In the playoffs they allowed 16 ppg and shut down the Chiefs and Ravens. This idea you can win shootouts every week isn't right. Even the 99 Rams won the NFC title game 11-6. At some point your defense has to step up and carry a game. Anyone who watched about 4 seconds of the Vermeil era should know this.

OnTheWarpath15 10-06-2015 06:01 PM

Pretty sure he said playoffs and/or SB.

You have to win those 28-24 games to get to the SB.

And FWIW, Rodgers helped create that Top 5 defense because teams were regularly playing from way behind.

Easy 6 10-06-2015 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs (Post 11779621)
Poe and Hali are complete garbage in the pass rush department this year.

Poe was rushed back, easy to see he's not 100%.

Hali is slowing down, but the effort is still there, he was constantly harassing fivehead, and laid the best hit of the night on him... he was great that game.

Lets atleast blame the right people for whats going on


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