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Bears have requested to interview Nagy for HC (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=312823)

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13327481)

Or if Mahomes stumbles next year, Nagy ends up wearing the goat horns for it and falls off short lists.

Think of Nagy as a college junior thinking about leaving early. He gets a 'top 5 pick' grade. He's probably going to have his pick of any available jobs right now - I think he's the best candidate on the market and the offensive resurgence after it was announced he was calling plays only reinforces that. Hell, Doug Pederson's success will help sell him as well.

So back to the analogy, if you're a prospect and you get a top 5 grade, would it really be smart to go back to college another year on the chance of improving it to top 3? Or consensus 1? I wouldn't think so - the downside is that you go all Matt Barkley and lose out on tens of millions while never really getting an opportunity to shine either way.

If Nagy takes the Colts job, he's a head coach with Andrew Luck, TY Hilton and some solid complementary parts. He's an O-Line rebuild away from having a truly dynamic offense (bearing in mind that he may not even need that - Luck's never had an OL worth a damn and still puts up points when healthy).

If he passes to wait for a better job...what's that job? Hell, even if a SB winner retires and he takes over, there's nowhere to go but down. A great situation is a team that's either just entering or just emerging from a rebuild with a new front office. That situation is going to get you 5 years of rope and a lot of runway. If you can't turn a team around in 4-5 years or at least show signs of it happening, you don't deserve the gig anyway.

There are several jobs (Giants, Colts, Bears) that are no brainers for him, IMO. And even a couple others like the Lions and Cardinals that would be decent fits. The Cards are getting a new quarterback and still have David Johnson. Nagy will get plenty of rope there and has the best all-purpose back in the league to help him ease a transition not to mention a damn talented young defense that could help cover his warts as an offense-first guy.

Nagy's gone unless we can win a SB and Andy retires on top.

I don't think so. They'll blame Reid and dorsey and veach for drafting the wrong qb. Worst case scenario, he falls off the hot list for a year or 2, then gets back on it. If Nagy fails to develop trubisky, it will be decades if ever before he gets a head coaching position again. And if that fails, he'll fall back to an oc job at a crappy team or fall further backwards into positions coach.

Nagy is young and he has Reid as a safety net. If he waits one year and mahomes plays well the he gets to pick what team he wants to coach, not the other way around. And if he fails there as a head coach, people will remember he was a great oc and he will be top of the list for OC, especially for the many coaches on Reid's tree. If I'm nagy I'm extremely picky. Either a job with a Reid GM or the best of the best available. If that's not an option, wait one year.

Also, keep in mind Ballard worked in Chicago. I bet he has plenty of inside Intel that he will share with nagy to stay the hell away from that job.

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 13327625)

Nagy is young and he has Reid as a safety net. If he waits one year and mahomes plays well the he gets to pick what team he wants to coach, not the other way around. And if he fails there as a head coach, people will remember he was a great oc and he will be top of the list for OC, especially for the many coaches on Reid's tree. If I'm nagy I'm extremely picky. Either a job with a Reid GM or the best of the best available. If that's not an option, wait one year.

This.

This is not the year be someone's one season stand...

You're not going to always be the "hot coordinator". Adam Gase called plays for the highest scoring offense in NFL history in 2013, turned down job offers in 2014, and then couldn't get a HC'ing job in 2015.

You have to strike while your name is hot because there are no guarantees that you'll get another shot. Nagy probably makes like, what, $700k per year? Why would he turn down a fully guaranteed 4 year, $4M+ per year contract? Clark doesn't seem like the kind of owner who'd pay out the ass to keep him for another year or two either.

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 13327675)

Except then he got a HC job in 2016.

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe (Post 13327675)

Because John Elway treated Adam Gase like shit by bad mouthing him.

I don't understand those who hate Reid but love his coordinators.

He taught his coordinators.

His coordinators found success running HIS playbook.

Reid has a long history of turning out assistant coaches, which means if you have Reid, you can bet your ass that he will have yet another excellent assistant coach.

Would you rather have a Ferrari, or the whole damn factory?

I swear, the logic of some people is just baffling.

Coming into this season no one gave two ****s about Matt Nagy. Just like no one gave a shit about Doug Pederson before him. Pederson was casted as just another career Reid crony.

Reid literally brought Naggy and Pederson into coaching, taught them everything they know about coaching, now all of a sudden i'm to believe they're better coaches than Reid?

At the start of the season NO ONE was talking about Naggy. Childress was pegged as Reid's offensive assistant.

Piss off, Chicago. You too, Indy.

But yeah, he's likely gone. Andrew Luck is just too big of a carrot to not pay attention to, especially if his shoulder is finally back to being right "IF" being the operative word

Yea I don’t see any reason why Kafka can’t gives us what Pederson and Nagy did.

I will say that I liked the idea of Veach/Nagy being the future GM/HC duo, but it was never realistic.

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 13327708)

Piss off, Chicago. You too, Indy.

This.

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13327715)

Yea I don’t see any reason why Kafka can’t gives us what Pederson and Nagy did.

I will say that I liked the idea of Veach/Nagy being the future GM/HC duo, but it was never realistic.

I'd like 2 reasons why you think Kafka can...

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 13327723)

I'd like 2 reasons why you think Kafka can...

1. Doug Pederson
2. Matt Nagy

Give me 2 reasons why he can’t.

Reid consistently turns guys like Kafka into good position coaches/coordinators. There’s no reason to think he won’t continue this trend with Kafka.

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13327735)

1. Doug Pederson
2. Matt Nagy

Give me 2 reasons why he can’t.

1) He's proven nothing.

You've only stated things other people have done - not him.

2) He joined the team this year. Just this year.

Allow me to be skeptical about his knowledge of the offense and how players best fit it...