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pugsnotdrugs19 05-28-2018 07:02 PM

I think Houston has to make it but at this point it’s getting tough to see.

Rain Man 05-28-2018 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13572719)
The NFL rushing leader? He will be top 25.

He'd better. But remember that Kamara gained almost 800 yards rushing and was the offensive rookie of the year. I'm worried about them holding spots for two rookie running backs.

ThaVirus 05-28-2018 07:09 PM

Houston won't make it.

The average Joe only cares about sacks. Look how undervalued Houston is on this very board. People outside of KC really don't think about him.

He probably had the quietest 20+ sack season in history.

Rain Man 05-28-2018 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13572729)
I think Houston has to make it but at this point it’s getting tough to see.

Yeah, I think Houston is the same player he was pre-injury and he's great in all three phases of linebacking, but he wasn't a 'splash play' kind of guy this past year. I don't see him making the list in the top 40. I hope I'm surprised.

pugsnotdrugs19 05-28-2018 07:15 PM

Hell, Houston only ranked 27th the season that he did have 22 sacks. What a joke that was.

RunKC 05-28-2018 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13572752)
Hell, Houston only ranked 27th the season that he did have 22 sacks. What a joke that was.

JJ Watt has been on this list the last 2 years despite having 1.5 sacks in that timeframe.

It’s all based on popularity.

RunKC 05-28-2018 07:25 PM

Can you imagine if Watt was a Chief? Shit some of you guys give Houston a hard time and call him a broken down brokedick even though he was healthy all last year and had 9.5 sacks.

Watt has played in 8 of his last 32 possible games and has done nothing. He looks finished.

pugsnotdrugs19 05-28-2018 07:35 PM

Watt probably is finished as an elite player. The injuries have been too severe, specifically the back, to be the same guy he was again. It showed last year before his knee fracture.

Rain Man 05-28-2018 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13572752)
Hell, Houston only ranked 27th the season that he did have 22 sacks. What a joke that was.

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13572769)
JJ Watt has been on this list the last 2 years despite having 1.5 sacks in that timeframe.

It’s all based on popularity.

Wow to both of these.


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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 13572738)
Houston won't make it.

The average Joe only cares about sacks. Look how undervalued Houston is on this very board. People outside of KC really don't think about him.

He probably had the quietest 20+ sack season in history.

This list is supposedly based on football player opinions, and I think it shows that they're the same way. They overvalue sacks over good overall play.

If you look at Houston, it's clear that he's better against the run and against the pass than is that murdering Denver linebacker, and his pass rush is equivalent despite doing other work. But I'm guessing that the murderer in the pedophile glasses will be on the list.

Tombstone RJ 05-28-2018 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 13572660)
I'm guessing they'll have five of the top ten spots. Maybe more if the defense steps up.

Only 5?

Rain Man 05-28-2018 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ (Post 13572915)
Only 5?

I figure they'll still be making the transition from adoring the Patriots and Steelers next year.

CoMoChief 05-28-2018 10:19 PM

The obvious big elephant in the room regarding Houston is the argument of production vs. contract.

You can say that Houston's game is much more than just sacking the QB. I get that. He's a solid run defender.

But the guy got paid because he sacked the QB 22 times. 9.5 sacks doesn't get Houston that $100M contract. For that money you should be a 15+ sack guy. So you can't expect people not to be discouraged and pissed off when Houston is costing the Chiefs a shit ton in cap space, and they can't move him, we just have to sit here and watch the slow death of a once dominating pass rusher.

Is Houston playing worthy of his contract at the moment? Well of course not. If he has a 2014-ish year will I change my mind? Absolutely...I just doubt that happens. For the Chiefs sake I hope it does, because that's the only way the D is going to be respectful.

pugsnotdrugs19 05-28-2018 10:22 PM

Houston only rushed the passer on around 75% of the snaps last year, maybe less IIRC. Most of the star edge rushers are up at 90+%.

9.5 sacks last year in 15 games was pretty damn salty considering that. Miller and Mack barely had more and they played 16 games while rushing the passer over 90% of their snaps.

carcosa 05-28-2018 11:02 PM

100 players....... one for each year the earth has existed

-King- 05-29-2018 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13572696)
This list is a joke.

Shazier will never play again.

That has nothing to do with how he played in 2017 and how good of a player he is. Part of the list is production the past year, and part is talent.
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