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O.city 08-28-2018 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 13696423)
I don't think that's the case as usually the offensive personnel will dictate that, but maybe you are correct.

Seems a lot more likely they're gonna suck for whatever reason. Maybe coaching, maybe talent, maybe both.

The Franchise 08-28-2018 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13696417)
They'll cut Amerson.

I honestly could see that. If he had shown flashes....then I think they would look at keeping him because they could claim that he's just getting used to the defense. But dude has flat out sucked every play he's been on the field. Veach is going to want to show that he's not afraid to own up to his mistakes and get rid of players that aren't working out. I think that's why they signed Scandrick.

O.city 08-28-2018 09:54 AM

Yeah, look at the numbers they usually keep.

They aren't cutting Fuller, Nelson, or Scandrick. Smith has played the most special teams snaps and is a returner so they'll keep him.

That's 4. They seem high on Springs so that would be 5. I think they normally are at 6 so he may make it.

O.city 08-28-2018 09:56 AM

Maybe Reaser?

The Franchise 08-28-2018 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13696452)
Maybe Reaser?

Redmond?

O.city 08-28-2018 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 13696454)
Redmond?

Possibly. It's very possible I mixed up the 2. Likely even.

RaidersOftheCellar 08-28-2018 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 13696007)
ROFL at freaking out over preseason. It's stupid.

I'll admit I'm concerned that they won't be as strong as I thought (on either side of the ball), but I don't understand how anyone can be so sure they're terrible. More than half the D either hasn't played or hasn't been game-ready yet. Others have played limited snaps. I mean, we can safely conclude that David Amerson is exploitable and safety depth isn't a strength. Not sure we can conclude anything past that.

Reid and the front office seemed very confident, even cocky, before training camp. They certainly didn't give the impression that they're working with a 6-10 type roster.

O.city 08-28-2018 02:05 PM

The d hasn't played together or isn't game ready, yet we are to expect that to just what.....happen?

This is why practice and the preseason are important.

ToxSocks 08-28-2018 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 13696442)
I honestly could see that. If he had shown flashes....then I think they would look at keeping him because they could claim that he's just getting used to the defense. But dude has flat out sucked every play he's been on the field. Veach is going to want to show that he's not afraid to own up to his mistakes and get rid of players that aren't working out. I think that's why they signed Scandrick.

The only way i see Amerson sticking is if he's some press coverage savant in practice, and they plan on playing a shit ton of press like they said they were.

So far in preseason i can't recall seeing any "bump n run" coverage from the Chiefs.

And you remember the pre-Dorsey years? Everyone hated the fact that neither Peterson or Pioli would own up to their overpaid mistakes.

Dorsey was a breath of fresh air who had no problem cutting his F/A mistakes.

Well...that resulted in a shit ton of dead cap money and him getting fired. Then, the fans completely flipped on him after being a "balla ass GM" just months before.

So it'll be interesting to see how Veach goes about this.

It's not like Amerson is an expensive cut though, unlike say, Maclin.

Mecca 08-28-2018 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13696959)
The d hasn't played together or isn't game ready, yet we are to expect that to just what.....happen?

This is why practice and the preseason are important.

They probably won't play together, Houston and Berry have had a possible 80 games together here, they've suited up together 34 times.

kccrow 08-28-2018 02:15 PM

I think the front 7 is much better than it was last season, but I'm incredibly concerned about the secondary. Fuller hasn't spent much time playing on the outside in the league, so he's got a task ahead of him. Nelson has traditionally been shitty matching up on the outside, but solid yet unspectacular in the slot. There are literally no other corners on the roster worth a shit. I'm not so sure Berry makes it through the year with a gimp heel once again. Sorensen being out is a dagger back there because what's behind him is much worse. Murray has proven to be more of a liability than an asset at safety and he's too slow to play this scheme as a CB. He's a zone corner best suited for cover 2. Watts appears to have a ways to go yet and McQuay just looks lost.

Veach has to be on top of the waiver wire during cuts or this could be a long season for this defense. It's a passing league and I don't think the Chiefs have the tools to defend it.

O.city 08-28-2018 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 13696975)
I think the front 7 is much better than it was last season, but I'm incredibly concerned about the secondary. Fuller hasn't spent much time playing on the outside in the league, so he's got a task ahead of him. Nelson has traditionally been shitty matching up on the outside, but solid yet unspectacular in the slot. There are literally no other corners on the roster worth a shit. I'm not so sure Berry makes it through the year with a gimp heel once again. Sorensen being out is a dagger back there because what's behind him is much worse. Murray has proven to be more of a liability than an asset at safety and he's too slow to play this scheme as a CB. He's a zone corner best suited for cover 2. Watts appears to have a ways to go yet and McQuay just looks lost.

Veach has to be on top of the waiver wire during cuts or this could be a long season for this defense. It's a passing league and I don't think the Chiefs have the tools to defend it.

That's why I'd prefer he looks for some guys on other teams that may not be in their long term plans and flip a pick for them.

oldman 08-28-2018 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13696458)
Possibly. It's very possible I mixed up the 2. Likely even.

The depth chart shows Reaser ahead of Redmond, but according to the roster, Reaser is 27 and Redmond 24. I don't know how much that means to the long term plans.
The other thing that struck me is O'Daniel is shown as an ILB but he's wearing a DB number. Wasn't he supposed to be a hybrid S/LB? Maybe they have plans for him that they haven't shown.

Mecca 08-28-2018 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by oldman (Post 13696985)
The depth chart shows Reaser ahead of Redmond, but according to the roster, Reaser is 27 and Redmond 24. I don't know how much that means to the long term plans.
The other thing that struck me is O'Daniel is shown as an ILB but he's wearing a DB number. Wasn't he supposed to be a hybrid S/LB? Maybe they have plans for him that they haven't shown.

LB's wear 40 numbers all the time, Eligwe has a 40's number.

Chief Pagan 08-28-2018 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 13695500)
Yes, it is THAT bad. Will Berry actually play and play for an extended period? I doubt that.

You're also heavily assuming that the defense won't run much in the way of nickel and dime defenses, which require extra DBs. Whenever Nelson returns, that will still be an ongoing issue because beyond Nelson, who is still unproven in my book beyond the slot, there is next to nothing.

Everyone likes bashing the 2003 Chiefs defense, and rightfully so, but this secondary looks worse than that abomination.

When this defense makes it through an entire game without forcing a single punt, get back to me.

:harumph:

Until then, [insert you choice of expletive here]


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