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DJ's left nut 08-31-2021 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Shields68 (Post 15808614)
Guess there are two considerations for a backup. One short term in game. Which the above might be true. Think Cam could be all right not great.

The other is Multiple games. You want a QB come in and be able to play .500 and give yourself a chance to win in 4 game stretch if you have to change the game plan so be it. the Saints did this last year. Cam probably does that. But the big thing is that I doubt Cam has the personality to be happy in a backup role. Sort of like Kap. Eventually if he is not starting it just is not going to work. To much division in the team unity.

Even in a multiple game situation, you'd ideally have the same sort of offense.

Afterall, you've brought players into this system that complement it and/or built the system around those players.

If your offense is designed to capitalize on a certain supporting cast and your backup is better served with a completely different supporting cast, you're doing yourself and that supporting cast a disservice. And it's only heightened if it's over 4 games. If your backup is 80% of your starter but the rest of the offense can play the same style of game, then your overall decline isn't extreme. But if your backup is, let's say, 90% as good as your starter (in a vacuum) but the rest of your offense is now 80% as productive because you're playing an entirely different style, it's a net loss.

Your backup needs to complement the roster. That's what Henne does here. But would Cam Newton be a useful backup here? No, not at all, because the entire supporting cast would have to play differently to complement Newton. 3 quarter or 3 games, I'd take the guy that complements the rest of my squad over someone who needs players tailored to fit his style 100 times out of 100.

JD10367 08-31-2021 09:19 AM

Cam was an insurance policy. Now that they’ve seen enough of Jones to like him (every preseason drive he led turned into points), when you add:

- Cam’s unvaccinated state and protocol “misstep”
- Injury possibility as a running QB
- Distraction
- Totally different style of play making it hard to build a team around both
- Age
- Ceiling

It was shocking an hour ago but makes more and more sense.

DJ's left nut 08-31-2021 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 15808629)
Cam was an insurance policy. Now that they’ve seen enough of Jones to like him (every preseason drive he led turned into points), when you add:

Exactly.

If Jones just clearly couldn't play yet, then the twin-tight, possession WR offense they put together in the off-season could be massaged to fit Newton over 17 games. They could've asked those guys to be physical and work with a strict ground/pound system.

But when it was clear that Jones could play, they saw that they may be able to pivot to the style they played when Gronk/Hernandez were there and they had those underneath options out wide. Obviously not to the same extreme as they did with Brady, but they could use that baseline.

If they HAD to go with Newton, they could've made it work. But once it became apparent that they didn't have to, there was no need to retain him.

Shields68 08-31-2021 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15808626)
Even in a multiple game situation, you'd ideally have the same sort of offense.

Afterall, you've brought players into this system that complement it and/or built the system around those players.

If your offense is designed to capitalize on a certain supporting cast and your backup is better served with a completely different supporting cast, you're doing yourself and that supporting cast a disservice. And it's only heightened if it's over 4 games. If your backup is 80% of your starter but the rest of the offense can play the same style of game, then your overall decline isn't extreme. But if your backup is, let's say, 90% as good as your starter (in a vacuum) but the rest of your offense is now 80% as productive because you're playing an entirely different style, it's a net loss.

Your backup needs to complement the roster. That's what Henne does here. But would Cam Newton be a useful backup here? No, not at all, because the entire supporting cast would have to play differently to complement Newton. 3 quarter or 3 games, I'd take the guy that complements the rest of my squad over someone who needs players tailored to fit his style 100 times out of 100.

But in this situation they have the personnel to compliment Cam. They ran the same offense they would use last year and this preseason. So it is not going to be a completely foreign concept. Besides I think this day and age teams can adept pretty quickly, the Saints ran Taysem Hill in last year went 3-0. Would be the same type of situation.

MMXcalibur 08-31-2021 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 15808615)
Would be a good back up to Mahomes...

Henne ain't getting any younger.

****ing no.
Not now. Not ever.

VAChief 08-31-2021 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Flying High D (Post 15808620)
It’s risky to bring in a back-up that potentially could be better than your starter.

WTF!

KC_Lee 08-31-2021 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Flying High D (Post 15808620)
It’s risky to bring in a back-up that potentially could be better than your starter.

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BossChief 08-31-2021 09:38 AM

Watch NE win that division over the Bills with Mac Jones at QB.

chiefzilla1501 08-31-2021 09:46 AM

No surprise. He's cooked. His arm just doesn't look the same. And he's lost any kind of swagger or interest.

wazu 08-31-2021 09:48 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cam Newton’s reaction to being released today: <a href="https://t.co/8TiAtDF51S">pic.twitter.com/8TiAtDF51S</a></p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1432731318350192643?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 31, 2021</a></blockquote>
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InChiefsHeaven 08-31-2021 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Flying High D (Post 15808620)
It’s risky to bring in a back-up that potentially could be better than your starter.

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

F150 08-31-2021 09:54 AM

Cams a ****ing headcase.

Eleazar 08-31-2021 10:00 AM

He’s always been overrated. Whatever talent he had in his arm never translated fully to the field. He had one elite season which ended with a low effort play in the Super Bowl defining it, and has not really had a remarkable career otherwise. And of course everyone will point to the lack of maturity, even now toward the end of his career. There was a lot of potential there that was never realized.

FloridaMan88 08-31-2021 10:12 AM

If Cam was willing to play for the veteran's minimum and would not be a distraction and would follow all protocols... he would be an interesting option as a Taysom Hill-type gadget player for situational plays such as short yardage and goal line.

But he does not meet any of those qualifications so no thanks.

Rainbarrel 08-31-2021 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD10367 (Post 15808629)
Cam was an insurance policy. Now that they’ve seen enough of Jones to like him (every preseason drive he led turned into points), when you add:

- Cam’s unvaccinated state and protocol “misstep”
- Injury possibility as a running QB
- Distraction
- Totally different style of play making it hard to build a team around both
- Age
- Ceiling

It was shocking an hour ago but makes more and more sense.

Fortunately for the AFC West. The General sells insurance, he does not buy it.


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