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htismaqe 10-26-2022 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16555428)
They could but I don't see MVS as some amazing WR that needs to be kept around. He'll serve his purpose as a deep threat this season but I'd rather have Cooks considering he's only a year older.

MVS is under contract for next season already, though. I don't think they'll part with him.

UChieffyBugger 10-26-2022 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 16555276)
I would love it if we gave up a 4th to get him back. It would increase our chances of winning the Super Bowl enough to justify it without question.

I don't see it happening though given the history. Clark Hunt stated he would never play for the Kansas City Chiefs again so I can't see him going back on that. He could change his mind after so many years but it's not likely.

Why do people keep spreading the bs lie about "Clark said he would never play for KC again" WHEN HE DIDN'T SAY THAT and Veach actually hinted that the door is not closed on Kareem for a return one day? Smh.

Lzen 10-26-2022 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 16555241)
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A few years ago the Browns GM went all-in on tank mode, accumulated a ton of picks, and they rebuilt that team with a ton of young talent. It was obvious that it was a plan that was agreed upon by ownership. But then they fired the GM anyway, shortly before the team took a gigantic leap forward.

And that's why the Browns are......well......the Browns.

raybec 4 10-26-2022 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16555421)
I dont' think JuJu is here long term.

Why? He took a little less to stay in Pitt because he liked being thee. If he likes it here he may be the type of guy to stay.

Sassy Squatch 10-26-2022 10:36 AM

Juju is almost definitely going to go for the team that offers him the most $$$. He still hasn't signed a long term deal worth big $$$ yet IIRC. As fine as he's been here don't think he's the one I'd tie all that cap up in.

Chris Meck 10-26-2022 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16555424)
I also don't understand why the Commanders aren't offloading all they can. They suck and they have a bunch of DL they aren't gonna keep and or pay.

I think it all depends on this upcoming draft, and how a team views it.

Is an elite QB there? Are you SURE? Is it a guy that's worth staking your career on?

Because, in this league, if you don't have one, you're not getting anywhere.

Under the current rules, the 2000 Ravens don't win a SB. Neither do the '02 Bucs. The game is just different now, the league WANTS the Superstar QB's and is skewing everything towards them dominating.

Good thing we have one.

But if you don't? Literally nothing else is going to matter.

Even with a really good defense, you still have to have a QB that's operating at or very near elite. See Stafford last year.

So for Washington, it's bird in hand if you don't see an elite QB in the '23 draft.

DJ's left nut 10-26-2022 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16555374)
Damn straight. Hughes and Green would help this defensive end group a ton. Not sure you can take on both though.

I'd use Green inside to replace Wharton.

He's listed as an edge but has typically had his best success on the interior.

Rainbarrel 10-26-2022 10:39 AM

Knowmo is an exaggeration, but closer to some truths. The state of Texas that lives and breathes football. Believe the Cowboys are Super Bowl bound every year. Though they usually teeter on stinking.

DJ's left nut 10-26-2022 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 16555406)
Why can't we take on cooks? If Juju plays like he is the rest of the season we can't afford him anyways. Getting a guy like Cooks would be awesome for this offense and its a friendly contract for the next two years.

Ah shit...

His 2023 salary ($18 million) is guaranteed.

Nevermind, I'm out on Cooks. He's a nice enough player, but he's not an $18 million player.

RunKC 10-26-2022 10:42 AM

Yeah I saw what DJ is seeing. I don’t see a way to circumvent that guaranteed money

DJ's left nut 10-26-2022 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16555415)
What makes people think that trading for Cooks would eliminate the possibility of bringing back Juju? If anything....they could get rid of MVS and keep both Cooks AND Juju.

Because Cooks has an $18 million cap figure next year and no incentive at all to lower it because it's guaranteed.

Now his contract has 2 more years on it so you could bonus him out, plow $9 million of it into 2024 and then release him and take the dead cap hit...but why would you want to do that?

I just feel like that guaranteed money next year gives him next to zero actual trade value. He's not an asset on the books anymore at that point.

I knew he had a big number next year but I didn't realize it was a guaranteed figure. That really changes the calculus a lot. Because even if you wanted to bring him back next season, if that's non-guaranteed money you can use that as leverage to get him to renegotiation (because a 30 yr old WR doesn't want to get cast into the FA marketplace).

But since it's guaranteed, he'd have to agree to a new deal just to get out of Texas. I'm not sure he'd be willing to do that.

philfree 10-26-2022 10:46 AM

I just don't see how Cooks would make this team significantly better and then I'm not ready to give up on the guys we have. Cooks does have a better career then I thought but every time I watch him play he underperforms. If we can upgrade the pass rush, I'm all for it but I'm not interested in fixing something that isn't broke. Just keep refining the offense with the WRs we have as well as the TEs who aren't named Kelce.

Couch-Potato 10-26-2022 10:46 AM

If we're going to be players at the deadline, I want impactful additions.


RB: Hunt? Bagh! Forget him, he's a premium backup. Bring me Kamara!!!

WR: Moore was a perfect target, but CAR not willing to move on. Cooks and JuJu are a nice pair, I'm in but I'm not overly impressed with Wood's career production. Claypool might be just a good a fit, brings something different with his size. OBJ? Sure!

DL: Wanted Burns, not gonna happen. Bradley Chubb!?!? Quinn, sure as long as not too expensive. Suh, yes please.

O.city 10-26-2022 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16555451)
I think it all depends on this upcoming draft, and how a team views it.

Is an elite QB there? Are you SURE? Is it a guy that's worth staking your career on?

Because, in this league, if you don't have one, you're not getting anywhere.

Under the current rules, the 2000 Ravens don't win a SB. Neither do the '02 Bucs. The game is just different now, the league WANTS the Superstar QB's and is skewing everything towards them dominating.

Good thing we have one.

But if you don't? Literally nothing else is going to matter.

Even with a really good defense, you still have to have a QB that's operating at or very near elite. See Stafford last year.

So for Washington, it's bird in hand if you don't see an elite QB in the '23 draft.

I would be doing what Philly or the Browns did a few years ago and accumulating as much cap space and as many draft picks as I could until I hit the QB.

Red Dawg 10-26-2022 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16555448)
Juju is almost definitely going to go for the team that offers him the most $$$. He still hasn't signed a long term deal worth big $$$ yet IIRC. As fine as he's been here don't think he's the one I'd tie all that cap up in.

I disagree. I think if we offer a fair deal he will want it and stay here. He doesn't talk like a guy that wants to only be money grubby on a shit team. He rather win and stay with Mahomes.


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