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Read the verse very closely. Sometimes, it is IMPOSSIBLE, e.g. when Islamo fascists state that I shall bow down and convert to Islam or die. It is my opinion, that it is IMPOSSIBLE to ever change the hearts and minds of Islamo fascists, who seek to slaughter me, my family, as though they were the meat birds that I cut heads off of two weeks ago. AAAAAAAAAAH, thanks for playing, there are some nice parting gifts for you on the way out. I profess to be a "Christian", saved by the blood of Jesus Christ, as payment in full for ALL of my sins. I do not profess to be perfect, although I try real hard. So, If you are also a Christian, it is going to be nice spending eternity with you. heehe. We one in the bond of LOVE, we are one in the bond of love, we have joined our spirits with the spirit of God, we are one in the bond of love. I leave you with this, If you claim to have the light in you, but do not love your brother, then you have made Him out to be a liar and the Truth is not in you. Perhaps, we should all step back a moment, and think a little before we start spewing so much venom into the seemingly innoucuous void that is the internet? :shrug: |
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Are you claiming, K, that they just decided to leave all of his violent acts out, in a book filled with very graphic violence? |
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Let me tell you a little story about "Running and Snitching"...my junior year of high school, a kid brought a pipe bomb into school. It was a track baton stuffed with mostly blackpowder explosives. He intended to detonate it, but didn't have a fuse for it. One kid found out about it, and went and "snitched" to the administration. Pipe Bomb guy was expelled, and possibly dozens of lives were saved by this "cowardly act". Until something like that happens to you, I suggest you STFD and STFU. Of course, I'm sure that you are also aware that if you own a gun, you are more likely to be killed than if you don't, which makes your safety argument moot. |
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It's about not using violence as a tool, or worse, the only tool. |
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Everyone has to answer the question one way or the other, there is no gray area, in fact, Jesus himself asked it of his deciples. So, I ask you one more time, I won't be wasting much more of it with you, Who do YOU say Jesus was/is? |
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He was pretty smokin ticked off. Of course, I must follow this up with, In your anger do not sin. Which I have done many times, and have a problem with. Jesus was angry about the unrighteousness(sin) and lawlessness that had abounded to the point of saturation, even within the temple. |
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You posited that hate clouded my judgment, and supported that position by my admitted dislike of you personally. Well that might suffice to establish subordinate issue of 'hate.' But it says nothing about the primary issue of clouded judgment. You've done nothing to prove that, outside of asserting it, and I've provide unequivocal evidence to the contrary. |
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Your example has nothing to do with defending yourself when being assaulted instead of having to run and snitch or get expelled. What a ludicrous example. As far as guns go there are 2.5 million successful defensive gun uses in this country every year. There are only 35k deaths by gun in this country every year including cops shootin criminals, gang on gang violence and suicide. I knew you would be on the wrong side of this issue. I think we should start shooting people who try and take our guns away. Forcing us to live through what has happened in England and Australia simply shouldn't be an option. |
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Mr. bunnytrdr's passage is taken from Romans 12. This is the verse that also later references Deuteronomy 32:35 “Vengeance is mine ...".
The issue is that the dichotomy of Christian faith and violence is one of the oldest and greatest paradoxes in Christianity. Those who derive their biblical foundation as if they were selecting sandwiches at Subway have a problem with it. In essence, their difficulty stems from ignoring the New Testament’s ubiquitous references to and reliance upon the Old Testament and focusing instead solely on Jesus’ most well-known and oft-quoted or -preached statements. I sometimes wish that Jesus had been so straightforward as they make him out to be in children’s Sunday School. But, he was not. If you choose to accept biblical quotes as truth, Jesus believed in and relied heavily upon the law … in Matthew, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” The law to which Jesus is referring is chock full of advice in respect to violence. Most often in terms of defending oneself and one's possessions. FAX |
It's really too bad Russ is gone. He'd have a field day with this sonofabitch. It would be the perfect birthday present. :D
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So, Fax. Are you a theologian? :D |
If a criminal breaks in to my house and I'm holding a shot gun in another room and I yell out to the criminal "hey, I have a gun, I don't want to kill you, but in 5 seconds I'm going to!" and then I rack my shot gun really loud and the person runs away, is that protecting myself with violence, or non-violence?
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That surely left the conservative right here without a strong voice. |
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Show me where I said we should take our guns away, you dumb fuck. I only said that if you use a gun you are more likely to be killed, you then jumped to the conclusion that I am against private ownership of guns. Actually, I have no problem with it. If you get shot because you had a gun in your home, that's a choice that you made that had dangerous ramifications, and you paid the price for it. I'd like to see your source for the 2.5 million successful defensive gun uses, surely that wasn't provided by the NRA. Does shooting at a pack of coyotes going after sheep count as a successful gun defense? Are you really dumb enough to believe that nearly 1% of all Americans fire a gun at someone else to defend themselves every year?? To you have any idea of the sheer mountains of paperwork and litigation that would involve, if in fact it were true, which it no doubt isn't?? |
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I don't know why I even posted on this dumbass thread. I guess I've just had a bellyfull of the shallow naiveté laid down by some people in an attempt to present themselves as wise and informed. My biggest concern right now is coming up with the proof necessary to demonstrate that Tony G. actually has redefined the position of tight end in the NFL. FAX |
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I believe, that it was a confluence of events, of which Tony G happened to be at the center of, that redefined the position. ;) |
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I've looked at the stats and, so far at least, am unable to find anything that would reasonably confirm that he did, in fact, redefine the position from a performance standpoint. At first, I thought that he would have had a longer ypc average which would be reflective of greater athleticism, but that's not the case. He's only near the top in that category. Then, I looked at size in the position, but nothing stands out there either. I hate to admit it, but I think Mr. milkman may turn out to be right about this. Unless, of course, I can construct a compelling argument around your theory. FAX |
Hey FAX, where in the New Testament does Jesus talk about homosexuality?
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Good for Schori, progress is slow but it will happen.:thumb:
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So I'm confused Jesus. Should we follow what the Old Testament says or not? If we're supposed to follow everything in the Old Testament except what you directly challenged, then I think we're all in a lot of trouble. |
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"Gooooooood....I can FEEL your anger...It makes your posts STRONGER..." |
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The potential for violence insured your safety. I would have just shot you're lucky he didn't have a gun and unload his clip at teh direction your voice was coming from. |
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No it isn't the NRA. I have the research at work and will post it tomorrow. I believe it was a college study but I could be mistaken. I have one SDGU myself. I'll bet many members here do. On the other I'll bet the only member on the BB that has had exposure to a school pipe bomb terrorist is a member named Hamas. You continue to not address the run and snitch poilicy when a student is assaulted though. You endorsed that previously with the threat of being expelled. All you could give us was that ridiculous pipe bomb story which has nothing to do with your endorsement of the said policy. |
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another word people use to look superior..... |
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I don’t recall, and believe there is not, any reference in the accepted New Testament that represents a quote by Jesus on the specific subject of homosexuality. For my part, I’m certain that Jesus would have viewed homosexuals as both welcome to and worthy of God's grace and mercy. He was anti-sin, though. So, I guess you have to make up your mind as to whether or not you perceive homosexuality as sinful. I have read many scholars who subscribe to the view that Jesus was more concerned with what was in a person’s heart and mind as opposed to their willingness to conform to a given society’s accepted practices. This seems to be this new bishop’s perspective. There’s a problem with this view though. And again, it is a paradox. On the one hand, Jesus completely ignored certain aspects of the law (traditional observance of the Sabbath, for example). On the other hand, he was quite clear that he was both a product of and a manifestation of the law and the Covenant. The law, of course, viewed fornication as an “abomination”. That’s a really bad word in Hebrew. In fact, in Leviticus I believe, you’ll find specific references as to the penalty for homosexuality. It is death. FAX |
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$#it, killed another thread...
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Its prety dumb how people take so much stock into what the bible says... If i wrote a book and had some stuff in it close to how the bible is, and told everybody to live by it and do everything it says, or you'll go to hell, wouldnt that be considered a cult? In my opinion, thats exactly what people are acting like towards religion and the bible... Its just a set of rules and guidelines that a group of people came up with to get their people to stop acting bad. Laws that are like duh to us, like no killing, no stealing, no cheating on your wife. There is no proof in the bible, and I'd love for anybody to show me some.
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I got that.....ya lost me here...... |
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lol, noob eh? funny how when nobody has anything to say, they call somebody a noob...
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Just ask... :evil: |
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Nobody can make you prove anything. You put yourself in that position. |
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No reason not to go through life deliberately. Tip toeing my way through this world adjusting what I do to other people's opinions? Yuck. |
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Of course there is when it's the only way to justify yours... |
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But as someone who has read alot of your posts over a good period of time. You seem to spend a lot of time worrying about other people's opinions and then forming your own after that or acting on something. Either that or putting a disclaimer on all your opinions as if they are less valuable or more valuable after guaging how many people do or dont agree with them. Not an attack at all... |
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It's an empiracle certainty. Well, based on the English system of measurement... |
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There are plus sides. I bet you are great at cooling a situation down, and keeping a level head. Moooo |
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