No, your entire hypothesis is unsubstantiated and incorrect.

A college QB who faces "adversity" is not more likely to succeed in the NFL than a QB who hasn't faced "adversity".

I gave you a list of successful (if not HOF QB's) who didn't face "adversity", yet had pretty damn good careers.

Your argument holds no merit. Nothing personal, but it can and has been disproven.

Where did YOU point out anything? And if you think that a QB needs to face "adversity" at the college level before becoming a successful NFL QB, you're a bigger jackass dumb**** than I had previously imagined.

Aikman didn't face adversity in college when he broke his ankle, lost the starting gig and had to transfer schools?

Individual?

That's THREE, dumbass, not ONE.

And for the record, what have McNabb and Cutler actually won?

Call it whatever you want. The guy was extremely accurate in college, lead UCLA to a bowl game and was the #1 overall pick.

Again, I'll ask you: What ADVERSITY did Marino, Elway, Aikman, Young, Brady and Montana face in college?

****ing Elway could have played anywhere in the country but chose to play at Stanford because of his father.

So please explain.

Aikman would have transferred from OU regardless, IMO

Switzer bullshitted him into thinking they'd throw the ball around, and when he realized he'd been duped, Aikman was frustrated as hell.

Thank you for injecting a little sense around here. And FTR, there were concerns when Switzer was hired by Jerry Jones due to his strained relationship with Aikman while at OU.

What a bunch of ****ing reeruned morons we have with us today.

I have an idea: The Chiefs should draft with the #3 overall pick, the WORST QB in the Nation! That's some ****ing adversity, isn't it? I bet THAT guy will be a HOFer!

****.

I just gave you an example with Aikman. Can you read? Or, should I say, can you comprehend what you read? I could give you 100 examples and it wouldn't matter. You'd never admit you are wrong. Instead of wasting my time, I'll just say **** you and enjoy the game tonight.

I find the advertsity thing funny especially for someone who pimps McCoy and somebody else Bradford.

Sanchez has dealt with adversity, I think people who say he hasn't don't really know that much about his past.

He dislocated his kneecap 2 weeks before the season started and still played...coming into this year the weak link of the Trojans was thought to be the offense namely the offensive line they got better as the year progressed but where they finished is not remotely how it started.

I think sometimes people just look up and see SC and think everyone is a great player when it's not that way. SC's line was good this year but it's nothing like Oklahoma's line is, Sanchez got hit alot more than I think anyone who didn't watch their games would realize.

Lets not mention when he had a bogus sexual assault charge filed against him that was later dismissed, Sanchez hasn't just gotten a free ride his entire time at SC.

JFC. So now a guy need to be injured in college so that he can succeed in the NFL? WTF kind of logic is that?

OTWP58 gave the reason why Aikman left. He was ****ed at OU.

Seems he had a pretty good career at UCLA, didn't he?

Great point.

These two idiots wouldn't know their asses from a hole in the ground.

Why on earth would you expect them to know jackshit about a the QB position?

this argument is easy: watch all play, look at the mechanics, look at the throws, make your own decision, me i pick sanchez. look at the guy, watch him you will see it

Yes, individual. This thread is about Sanchez, dumbass.


Those THREE I brought up were used as examples as to why adversity in college HELPS in the transition from college to pro. It blows my mind that you're still focused on this as if you still don't undertstand what we're discussing.

Wow. So you're insinuating that McNabb and Cutler aren't great NFL QBs because they haven't won a Super Bowl? Your genius knows no bounds!

I'm done with you. If you seriously believe having extra time to throw, or tons of 5 star skill players that can score with ease, or a lockdown defense that rarely puts pressure on you to score on a particular drive actually HELPS prepare a QB for adversity in the NFL, then you're not someone I want to waste much time talking football with.

But, but, but.

He needs more adversity!!!

Maybe Paris Hilton will use him as a boy toy before he graduates.

Stafford has better natural tools and is 2 years younger......

It's really more what you prefer, Sanchez is alot more polished which is funny to say for a guy that's started significantly less games.

sanchez's decision making wins it for me, he makes great throws to the RIGHT guy most times

I still think my comparsions of Stafford to Elway and Sanchez to Aikman are spot on.

my problem with stafford is that he looks like he's pouting when things go wrong, and lots of times he doesnt set his feet,"happy feet", and i know peyton manning does the same thing, but when he does this it seems to make him inaccurate with his passes

Scott Wright thinks Stafford is far and away the best QB prospect and no one can touch him...

Then he said he thinks some people are down on Stafford because he has senior-itis while not being a senior. Where he's been a top prospect for so long everyone is trying to find any flaw and negative they can while forgetting his positives.

I'm still focused on it because it makes absolutely no ****ing sense. If the college QB in question doesn't have the ability to play in the NFL, it doesn't mean jackshit whether or not he faced "adversity" in college.



Cutler is great? WTF? I'd say he's "good" and show a lot of potential but "great" is not a word I'd use to describe him. As far as McNabb's concerned, he's very good QB but again, I would use the term "great" in describing him. The "great" is thrown around far too much for my taste.


Good. GFY and put me on ignore. Personally, I think you're idiot of epic proportions but that's probably just me.

I haven't faced enough "adversity", so making judgements is difficult for me.

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Oh no; you are NOT alone, not by a long-shot.

This mock draft has Sanchez going #1 to Detroit! Lots of videos & nice pictures....:)

http://qisports.com/nfldraft.html

1. Detroit Lions: Mark Sanchez, QB, USC
2. St Louis Rams: Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
3. Kansas City Chiefs: Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
4. Seattle Seahawks: Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
5. Cleveland Browns: Malcolm Jenkins, DB, Ohio State
6. Cincinnati Bengals: Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
7. Oakland Raiders: Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
8. Jacksonville Jaguars: Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
9. Green Bay Packers: Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest
10. San Francisco 49ers: Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia

Interesting.....

Stupid is more like it.

There's no way Stafford falls to 10.

WPI is NOT the biggest joke out there anymore.

That list is so gay, it receives the DCS Above and Beyond The Call Of Gay Award.

Hit it ladies:

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or KC doesn't pick him, just on his connections with KC too. Hell, the kid probably has met with the Hunts when he was still in high school.

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Sheesh, you are such a bitch.

Just go **** yourself, Dickhead.

You've been a clueless ****ing **** since you joined here and clearly, nothing's changed.

And FWIW, you don't bring SHIT to this forum. No insight, no knowledge and no perspective.

Except the fact that you're a bitch for everyone to smack around.

Lol, I see I got to you. Congratulations. Although everything you just said is bullshit and you know it. And you prove once again that you are an arrogant prick who stomps his feet and whines when people don't bow to your greatness. Well Dane, keep on proving what I said.

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I love it when two posters I generally get along with (other than lzen's occaisonal beaker homerism) have at it. it's entertaining in an awkward sort of way.

Oh, and just to point out once again for the record, I like Sanchez. I remember seeing one game late in the year where he was taking some hits from UCLA defenders and he was delivering the ball despite knowing that he was going to get hit.

I like Sanchez also. However, there should be some concern about his overall lack of experience and the fact that he plays on a team that is so full of talent. It's similar criticism that the Stafford supporters say about Bradford - he never gets pressure, his receivers are always open, he is surrounded by talent, etc.

thing is, every time I see sanchez take pressure, he doesn't wilt like a hothouse orchid. every time I've seen bradford take pressure he just falls apart (four a series or two against mizzou, texas, etc.)

Except that Sanchez REGULARLY gets pressure, and his receivers are rarely THAT open.

He averages more NFL caliber throws per game than any of the three, IMO.

The only WR on SC with top end speed is Ronald Johnson...Williams is very smart, knows how to get open and runs outstanding routes but he isn't top end fast.

Patrick Turner is just a huge man, his speed is pretty suspect.

so he's from the dwayne jarrett/mike williams mold of USC receivers?

You are even more reeruned that I initially thought.

Originally, I just thought you were an uncreative dimwit with few redeeming qualities.

Now I realize that you're just an automaton, incapable of simple comprehension and self-thought.

Congratulation, Moron!

Yea Turner is basically in that same mold but he never became the college player they did.

I agree his throws have big play written all over them.They don't wobble and have you hoping they get there when they have to.

I wish I had a copy of that game, it's a clinic on doing it right. Watching him thread a pass in to insane coverage is just art.
There's so much potential in that guy it's just scary.

Any team that gets sanchez needs a dejean jackson stretch the field type of burner to take advantage of his good deep ball. I like Bowe but if the chiefs get sanchez they need to get a burner to stretch the field.Maybe frankln can be that guy.It almost seems like franklin could outrun thiggys arm he seemed to have to stop to make plays on long passes. With sanchez throwing those bombs frankilin will have to keep running to catch up to them instead of stopping and waiting.

A few players have had to stop for Thigpen's deep balls this year. He doesn't throw deep well at all.

Louis Murphy. 6-3, 205lbs, runs a 4.3 40 and averages 17yds per reception this season.

I'm not exactly sure what Bowe's "specialty" is supposed be, but I'm going to assume 5 to 30 yard catches. Is he a deep guy? Wouldn't know; Chiefs don't do that.

Darling is supposed to be our "speed guy"ROFL, and Franklin's been kind of pushed to the side. Maybe having a QB like Sanchez is just what Will needs.

But here's the other thing; Bowe, more often than not, catches like shit on plain jane short routes, and I'm wondering if he wouldn't do better catching passes from a QB with serious velocity on those short routes.(?)

We'll hopefully find out.

Could Thigpen play a Garcia part well?
Garcia has a huge body of work. If you hand picked the most effective plays of his time with SF , his run with the eagles and even some moments in tampa bay it seems to me there would at least be enough to start creating a more nfl type offense than what thiggy runs. I don't remember any of those teams doing anything radically different because garcia was their qb.Garcia makes his own throwing lanes with his legs I could see thiggy doing that.

he doesn't .... but it's not because he doesn't have the arm strength.

Thigpen can chuck the ball deep ..... he lacks touch.

can he develop that touch? dunno

He didn't play in an offense in college that threw the ball deep that much i don't think.

practice?

To me if a team had garcia as a backup they were super bowl ready from a qb standpoint.Thiggy will never have a great long ball but neither does garcia and in a pinch a good team can keep winning if he has to step in.Thats the role I would like to see for thiggy. The best backup qb in the league.

Thats the thing there are lineman who can throw the ball 50-60 yards.
Some guys just throw that for lack of a better term "catchable" long ball.
It seems that usually you see that ability in a guy in college.Thats what I see of sanchez or stafford that I don't see with thiggy.

i know .... but Thiggy seems to have plenty of arm strength. He seems to be able to just flick the ball deep pretty easy. I worry when a QB has to use his whole body to "wind up" and throw it .... those guys are gonna struggle more often than not.

with Thigpen it's all about control


he's so inexperienced that it's hard to tell whether he has the potential or not at this point.

I pointed this out in another thread a few days back, but I think Thigpen's deep ball troubles are easily correctable.

All he needs to do is step into the throw.

Watch his deep throws - he seems to just flick it off his back foot.

There's no reason a guy with that strong an arm can't throw farther than 30 yards.

Mark does that thing on long passes that I've seen the best Pro's do :

He sights, rotates his upper body and keeps his neck/eyes parallel with his torso, and let's it fly like casting a line. And as the ball is leaving his hands, he's initially looking down and not trying to re sight or follow the pass.
It's somewhat akin to delivering a fast ball, but not really.

Not true.

There were 8 first or second round draft choices that came from Syracuse/ McNabb's 1997 Fiesta Bowl squad. That team was loaded with prospects.

Thigpen has plenty of velocity on his short throws..it's just that he typically throws at the top of their heads instead of their chests.

And Franklin is plenty fast, saw the guy up close at an OTA and I was impressed with his speed.

1999 1 2 2 Donovan McNabb Eagles QB
2 1 32 Kevin Johnson Browns WR
2 12 43 Rob Konrad Dolphins RB
1998 1 22 22 Tebucky Jones Patriots DB
1 25 25 Donovin Darius Jaguars DB
4 6 98 Roland Williams Rams TE
7 17 206 Antwaune Ponds Redskins LB
7 39 228 Jim Turner Panthers WR
1997 2 24 54 Kevin Abrams Lions DB
4 5 101 Antonio Anderson Cowboys DT

Yeah, it looks like he picks a spot in the sky and see how far back he can wind up and how high he can throw it..he's definitely leaning wayyy too much when he goes deep.

1st Keth Bullock: '00

1st Will Allen : '01 Had his first career college INT in that game.

Like I said, that team was pretty good.

So you're saying that Donovan McNabb didn't face adversity?

How did he become a good QB then?

McNabb had a talented team, but a lot of the guys that you originally listed faced more adversity than Sanchez which means you are still wrong.

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Oh, you boys are so entertaining!

We need another QB regardless of how good Thigpen is. Do you really want Huard/Croyle as backups? I dont want either, but most likely 1 will remain on the roster.

A lot of Thigpen's throwing problems can be solved with the removal of 2 tumors that hang over his shoulder-- Herm Edwards & Dick Curl.

I hadnt really thought about it, but if Maclin does run a 4.30-4.35 40-yard dash at 6'1" 200lbs, I would not be surprised if Al Davis drafts him at #7.

I would take Croyle as 3rd string. He does have some talent.

Did I miss something?

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Oh yeah. Go back about 8-10 pages.

ROFL Post of the year so far. ROFL

I hope Maclin doesn't go to the damn raiders

"Adversity": The struggle of overriding the desire to beat the living shit out of some 'e-tool' who desperately needs it.

Adversity.

That would be comedy gold.

I prefer the term "E-tard" but that works as well.

:evil:

He'd better slow down then.

When will he official state if he declares or not?

I was thinking he would've declared by now. he has what, till thursday?

He has until the 15th.

He'll have to declare on or before January 15th to be eligible for the 2009 NFL Draft.

Yeah, that's what I thought too. I already knew the deadline date, but I'm starting to believe he's waiting to see if Bradford declares. If so, he'll return for his Senior season

The SC boards say he and Taylor Mays are planning on holding a joint press conference. Don't know what to take from that, but there it is.

I think it has to do with the National Championship game and the number of GM's and personnel people scouting that game. He'll need to get advice from those people as where he'd be drafted and they've been tied up.

I'm sure we'll hear his decision before next Wednesday.

Plus, I'm sure he'll want the spotlight and with the BS Championship game complete, he'll have it.

Not sure if I'm prepared for all of the "dirty Sanchez" posts...