Do I care what these two assholes think?

Absolutely not.

Every few months, there a few new members that get all up in arms over my opinions, posting style, etc. After a while, they either "get" me and join in the dialog or they go away and stop responding to me.

But I have to tell ya, these "Dane McCloud" threads are just getting out of hand.

Yeah, you're Nostra****ingdamus. Congrats.

Did I specifically mention the position or the player?

No.

I asked "Who is going to replace the 1,000 yards and 10 TD's" we lost in the off-season.

So, what's your answer?

2. the run d has looked better every week

3. apparently you havent watched the chiefs well enough to see that were running the ball rather well.

4. you dont have to run kicks back to be successful

I'm so glad you're posting regularly.

You're like the neighborhood welcome wagon.

Thigpen operating out of the wildcat. Duh.

A combonation of Bowe, Ingram, Bradley, Copper,LJ, Savage, Battle, etc......and whoever else we bring in...

Obviously no one player is going to make that up.

2. No, it hasn't. First off, Steven Jackson didn't even suit up. Secondly, the Texans and Vikings ran at will.

3. No, they're not. They ran against 2nd and 3rd teamers against the 2-14 Rams. Get a clue. Carriker's out for the year.

4. Yes, you do. Field position is EVERYTHING, especially when your offense can't convert third downs.

Shouldn't you be over in the Dane McCloud for Douchenozzle of the Year Award thread?

Engram's 36. Bradley has never been healthy for an entire season. Copper's not good enough to play in the UFL. LJ will be done by game 8 or before. Savage and Battle can't hang on to the ball.

Ok, here is myarguements. I think over time the offensive line will get better. I think we have a good weak slide of the line. Our strong side sucks, but there is time for them to jell into at least half ass. I think LJ can have a decent year. Not saying he's going to go for 1500 plus or anything, but 1100-1200 yards imo not to far fetched.

We have at least 1 good receiver. I think this 1 good receiver has all the potential in the world. Haley beleives it as well, because he put the squeeze on him big time. Never gave him any compliments. Just said he's doing better. I think he can be one of the best in the NFL. He has the hops, he's fast enough. He's strong enough and yes, i think he has good hands. If he didnt, he wouldnt make some of them circus catches we have seen him make. I have said time and time again, he just has concentration problems. Them kind are fixable. He didnt drop 1 pass in any preseason game.

Bradley imo should be the number 2. He did pretty damned ok for us with Thigpen and Hutard quarterbacking. He just needs to stay healthy.

Defense is a work in progress, but there is no way in hell we are going to only have 10 sacks all year. We s een in the preseason that the starting guys can put pressure. Will they give up the big play and struggle at times? ooh yea. I love our corners. We lucked into Carr. Going to be a good tandem for a while. Mike Brown and Jarred Page are also pretty darned decent.

Special teams? well, Succup has been ****ing money. Strong leg, deep kickoffs. Missed 2 in the preseason, one was a 54 yarder? Hit the upright, but was dead center. He's very accurate.

Colquitt has been a stud since he's been in the league. He's no Lechler, but he's damned good.

We may struggle again with punt and kick returns.

Overall, we win 3-6 games maybe. Who knows maybe more. We are in a shitty division.

bowe. he had close to that last year. yeah he will be triple covered every play. so was calvin johnson. so was andre johnson.if the running game gets going, that will just make it easier for bowe.

They should change those to weekly.

It seems like they're happening all too frequently.

I get it.

I'm a dick.

That's your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it. I just happen to disagree.

FWIW, isn't that why we're all here? To talk football? :)

Uh...

Bowe had nearly 1,000 yards. Are you stating that he'll have 2,000 yard receiving this year?

Maybe

Aw shit. I came for Home and Garden tips.

Dane is correct on all these points. However, I think that the two wins is a bit pessimistic considering the division we are in. They have a legitimate shot at six wins simply by playing in the AFC West. Seriously. Have you seen the Raiders? The Broncos? And I'll never count out a team that is going against a Norv Turner "coached" team. Maybe they get a ball bounce here or there, and they are at the mythical, legendary Peter King eight win benchmark. It could happen just as easily as Dane's prediction of two wins. Personally, I think five would be a good season for this team.

Yeah, but you are OUR dick. You think that they'd be a bit more appreciative.

uhhhh

I'll preface this by saying that I'm not being a dick, nor am I exaggerating:

If the Chiefs go 5-11 or better, Pioli should win Exec of the Year and Haley should absolutely, unequivocally win Coach of the Year.

Jamaal Charles is going to pick up some of the slack. Last year he had about 600 yards from scrimmage. This year I can easily see 1,000+

Other than that, yeah, who the **** knows.

my bad about jackson. and notice how i said it got better every week.but if our run d is as bad as u suggest ap shouldve had an average of 8yds a carry. he had 1 good drive.

they ran ALL OVER the seahawks which include patrick kerney and one of the best LB cores in the nfl. they also owned the rams in the beginning.

so its impossible to score a td if u start behind the 20?

I was talking with a friend the other day and said that if they win eight like SI predicted Haley should be immediately enshrined into Canton and the Super Bowl trophy be renamed the Haley Trophy instead of the bespectacled dude from GB.

i think the combo of our TEs and the 2nd and 3rd wr can equal that. you dont necessarily have to have 2 1000 yd recievers to be successful.

First off, the Rams and Seahawks were a combined 6-26 last year. The Chiefs were facing the Ravens.

Secondly, the Chief have proven for years that they have difficulty moving the ball behind this offensive line and that they're even more hamstrung when they start behind the 20.

fair enough. i can only go by what i see. and that is a better team than last years 2-14 team.

It's tenuous at best to count on players that have never performed up to those expectation in their entire careers.

Cottam had 21 catches in 4 years at Tennessee. Sean Ryan is 29 and has 12 receptions in 7 seasons. Bradley always shows promise, yet can't make it through a season. Engram is 36.

You're projecting numbers that have never existed in the past.

Unicorns and rainbows.

They'll be better coached, better conditioned and Haley will manage the clock to perfection.

But lack of talent at nearly every position along with probably the most difficult schedule in the NFL is what will keep the Chiefs from winning more than 4 games.

As I said, two was my guess so essentially, I'm plus or minus 2 games from that prediction.

i have a feeling we arent done rounding up wideouts. and if bradley stays healthy, does 700yds 5 tds seem reasonable? it does to me. and seriously, make me a tshirt.

IF Bradley stays healthy, I think he'll do better than that.

But health has been the key in his career.

So far, he hasn't lived up to expectations.

As for the t-shirt, do you think I do manual labor?

LMAO

you owe me for bein a dick. so hop on it

I'm not a dick.

I am who I am.

Either you like me or you don't.

It's called having a "strong personality".

That is, until they draft Dennis Pitta next season. Then it will be lollipops and joy and love and playoffs and first downs and roll out, fade pass safety valves! There will be joy in Mudville again!

that what they call it these days?

1. Haley's offense doesn't really use the TE that much except for blocking, which TG wasn't that good at anyway. I'm sure they felt that he made too much money for someone that didn't fit the offense. In this offense he likely wouldn't get 1,000 yards receiving and 10 TDs.

2. Our 1st string D looked like they are much improved against the run from last year.

3. I don't know how we'll run the ball or protect the QB, but we can't be worse at it than last year when we won 2 games. We ran the ball ball better during preseason than we did last season.

4. While returns didn't look great during the preseason, they were acceptable. I don't think this will be as much of an issue as you do.

I think in all of those questions you asked we are improved from last year, and our coaching has to be better. I believe we will win more than we did last year. 4 - 6 games is my prediction. I think that is reasonable.

kind of bummed about Lelie. He looked pretty good in the preseason. Other than that, not too many complaints. I was surprised about Pollard but not upset. Shocked that Colin Brown is on IR. we're really thin on the o line

JFC, do I have to repeat myself?

1. I don't give a shit if Haley doesn't include the TE. WHO is going to REPLACE the 1,000 yards and 10TD's in this offense? Copper? LMAO

2. Bullshit. You call giving up 366 yards in three quarters against the Vikings "good"? 5 yards a carry against the Texans is good? The Vikings ran for more than 4 yards a carry but that's because TJ shredded the Chiefs for 200 yards and 2 TD's in less than one quarter. Need I go on?

3. Yes, "we" can. Waters is a year older. Goff sucks. None of us know who's even starting on this line but considering that Cassel went out on the third play of the third pre-season game, it's safe to say it has not improved over last year. Hell, at least Croyle lasted until game one last year.

4. Really? The repeated fumbles? The confusion? I don't see what you're seeing.

First, I'll define "successful" as moving forward from the past couple of seasons. Of course, as all things stand right now, this is a team that would have an amazing season if it hits 0.500. But this is also a team that (unless someone uses the detroit lion's definition) has practically already bottomed out.

The new staff has come in to pick up the pieces, throw out the irreparable shards, and remake this sucker from the ground up. A simple look of competency would be an improvement; but more than that I think this is a team that will be able to improve, gain experience, and gain confidence as the year progresses (especially looking at the schedule--most of the big nasties are before the bye-week) and end up with 5, maybe 6 wins.

Who replaces Tony's #'s? No one, at least not this year. But that doesn't mean that others can't step up and take some of the heat off of Bowe. Bradley has talent, and has shown flashes of it, he just needs to be out there for a season--IF that happens, there's help. Football wise, Engram's an old man and fading, but he can catch--use him as a possession guy. Other than that, yeah we have plenty of unknowns with the high potential of just being scrubs; or IF they get their act together...

Defensively--I'm really not that concerned with the first teamers. Thinking back on the games, I think they've shown more respectability than not. Especially true of the linebacking corps, which some thought would be horrid--I think outside of our young corners they're going to be a strength of this defense, and will end up showing up in both run support and pass-rushing (their coverage abilities still needs work, IMO).

O-Line: yeah, it has issues, especially the right side, and certainly since we're going into the season still not sure who the RT is going to be. Having said that, I'm torn on what to think: Haley's play calling looked a heck of a lot better than that crap that Chan was calling the first few games. If Brodie would have been more on-target with a couple of passes this last game would have looked different, especially with the starters. Even the play of the starting o-line, for the most part, looked improved that game. YET, it could also have very well been that StL just sucks that bad. And considering they weren't any better than us last year, that's a darn good probability. Obviously we're going to sign some other teams' castaways for it, so I'm putting it more into the position of wait and see...and hope...and pray...

Returners? Yeah, that's a good one. We don't have anyone. I think Charles gives us the best go at KR, but for PR? Who knows. This is where you just kinda have to throw up your hands and hope that flying pigs will join unicorns in running down the side of a rainbow, and that someone will magically appear as a diamond in the rough kinda like Dante did a few years back when most people didn't even think he should be on the team. But I'm certainly not going to hold my breath on that one... (though I am having a craving for some Lucky Charms right now).

This brings up what may be a dumb question, but I just don't know. WTF is the difference between a decent KR & PR? Isn't it basically the same thing? Please enlighten me.

Heck if I know a technical answer, but I've just always figured it has to do with angle of the ball, spin of the ball (heck, you have some of those guys who punt it with a reverse spin--I think that one punter SD had, what was his name? Bennett? was known for it), and blocking schemes (better chance of having to catch it in traffic, etc.)... it just all adds up to having a different strategy for catching it.

I guess I just always figured that a kick was a kick was a kick, and you'd have pretty much one guy to return 'em. Huh.

Punts have a different hang time than a kickoff, so there's a different talent or ability needed to be successful at each.

may have been mentioned but Steve Justice Colts, C and 08 6th rounder was waived.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/432536

also waived by the colts 4th rounder from this year dt/nt Terrance Taylor, if they want to cut Ron edwards.

OT Jaimie Thomas Colts too. 7th rd this year.

Pretty sure we had interest in some Maryland G/t pre draft, think it was him.
more of a PS type consideration.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/502781

Sorry, I have to disagree. Herm won 2 with a lesser QB. Plus, I think this D will be much better.

Fair enough. Thanks for not being a dick. LOL

LMAO

ROFL

This thread is funny. I love the NFL. Not one damn soul knows what's gonna happen, but everyone loves to cuss, and call each other names over what they think will happen.

LOL@all of you.

**** you!

LOL!!!!!

Hey GoChiefs, looks like your anti-Pollard thing worked out nicely. Who's next for your av?

Oh yeah, here's my preemptive **** you. :D

ROR has taken care of Thigpen quite nicely. I have no adversaries on the Chiefs' roster as of today.

We now resume with our regularly scheduled screaming red background guy, who wishes Pollard well as he exits stage left, after being juked by TJ Houshmandzadeh.

Not sure if this has been posted, but can someone explain how waiver claims are determined on these guys who have been cut?

According to http://www.dawgtalkers.net/showflat....76&an=0&page=0 :




ARTICLE XXII



WAIVER SYSTEM

Section 1. Release:

(a) Whenever a player who has finished the season in which his fourth year of credited service has been earned under the Bert Bell/Pete Rozelle Plan is placed on waivers between February 1 and the trading deadline, his contract will be considered terminated and the player will be completely free at any time thereafter to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any Club, and any Club shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with such player, without penalty or restriction, including, but not limited to, Draft Choice Compensation between Clubs or First Refusal Rights of any kind, or any signing period. If the waivers occur after that time, the player’s Player Contract will be subject to the waiver system and may be awarded to a claiming Club. However, if such player is claimed and awarded, he shall have the option to declare himself an Unrestricted Free Agent at the end of the League Year in question if he has a no-trade clause in his Player Contract. If such player does not have a no-trade clause and the Player Contract being awarded through waivers covers more than one additional season, the player shall have the right to declare himself an Unrestricted Free Agent as set forth above at the end of the League Year following the League Year in which he is waived and awarded.

(b) Whenever a player who has finished less than the season in which his fourth year of credited service has been earned under the Bert Bell/Pete Rozelle Plan is placed on waivers, the player’s Player Contract will be subject to the waiver system and may be awarded to a claiming Club.

Section 2. Contact: Coaches or any other persons connected with another NFL Club are prohibited from contacting any player placed on waivers until such time as the player is released by the waiving Club.

Section 3. Ineligibility: Any NFL player who is declared ineligible to compete in a pre-season, regular season or post-season game because of a breach by any NFL Club by whom he is employed of waiver procedures and regulations, or any other provision of the NFL Constitution and Bylaws, will be paid the salary or other compensation which he would have received if he had not been declared ineligible, which, in any event, will be a minimum of one week’s salary and, when applicable, expense payments.

Section 4. Notice of Termination: The Notice of Termination form attached hereto as Appendix G will be used by all Clubs. If possible, the Notice of Termination will be personally delivered to the player prior to his departure from the team. If the Notice of Termination has not been personally delivered to the player prior to his departure from the team, the Notice of Termination will be sent to him by certified mail at his last address on file with the Club.



***Waiver system: The procedure by which a player's contract or NFL rights are made available by his current team to other teams in the league. During the procedure, the 31 other teams either file a claim to obtain the player or waive the opportunity to do so, thus the term waiver. The claiming period is typically ten days during the off-season, but from early July through December, it lasts only 24 hours. If a player is claimed by two or more teams in this period, priority is based on the inverse won-lost standing of the teams. The team with the worst record has priority. If no team selects the player, he's free to sign with any team, including his previous employer. If no one signs him, he is unemployed — technically fired from the NFL.

Thanks for posting this! So unless the Lions or the Lambs (sounds so biblical) want someone, we can get anyone we want that doesn't have 4 years or qualify as a "vested veteran." Nice.

That's how I read it. So yeah. Nice! Is anyone aware of any OL needs in DET or STL that'll cause us issues with this?

poor lokey

Honestly, saying there is even a 5% chance anyone goes 0-16 is unrealistic given the history of the league. There are what like 4 win less seasons that I'm aware of in the history of the NFL? Prior to 0-16 the last one was in '82 with the Baltimore Colts going 0-8-1 in a strike season. The odds against it have to be more like 99% because it just requires a systematic failure organizationally throughout the season to sustain that imo. Its just too big of a confluence of events and bad coaching/management that seems really unlikely. Even with the problems of this roster.

There's a huge difference in saying the Chiefs will be 0-16 and then asking for reasons why we will be successful.

This team will not be a successful team in 2009. That doesn't mean they will go winless. They have a ton of holes, and no, they won't replace Gonzalez.

I think this is one of the 5 worst teams in the NFL. But I do think they can go 3-13, 4-12 based on improved coaching.

dude...pollard is shocking...ok, he's a bust...but he could AT LEAST be a special teams ace

mcgraw dude

I agree. I don't know why you don't keep him over McGraw.

all I'm saying is...

his rookie season...those blocked punts + he was a great gunner on punt coverage...

I don't get it...

sit him down and be like...dude, you're not going to be anything but a backup...but you're going to be our special teams ace...

I mean...that doesn't vaporate over night...a 2-14 team shouldn't consistently have players being picked up off of waivers...and you know he's going to be claimed...no doubt, for sure.

and you know what...he looked (shockingly) very good in preseason...I know he is who he is...but McGraw impressed me...

THAT BEING SAID...

Pioli said...offense/defense AND special teams...

and you know what...Pollard, at the very least, could be a great NFL special teamer....

pollard will be claimed asap

oh I know...

and as a 2-14 team

it doesn't make sense

but whatever...

call me a "true fan", but I have total, 100% faith in the new regime...and I don't care what that makes me.

I am calling denver taking pollard

nah...I'd say Detroit...and I'd bet money...why not? He was TOO good to be cut, plain and simple.

they just traded for ko simspon

wouldn't be surprised...I think he's good enough to be on every NFL team...special teams alone

Well, on one hand, I'm thinking his "heated" discussion with Clancy where Todd waived him off had something to do with this. Of course, it didn't help Pollard that his abilities haven't improved, since he was still missing/whiffing tackles, and still taking poor angles. Finally, I think it's also has to do with his contract.

On the other hand, you do have a solid argument with the special teams, and I agree with that, plus the fact that I thought he would be better option than McGraw would be.

thatd be ironic if denver picks him up and he injures cassel. i think just letting him walk was stupid. we couldve at least got a 7th rounder for him

Did you ever stop to think that they may have shopped him around and got no takers. The rest of the league is wise to his no-talent ass.

Or that the rest of the league (sans Raiders) are smart enough to know he's getting cut, and not waste a draft pick?

Wish Pioli hadn't gone Al Davis and traded for Miami's garbage.

ESTO.

I wonder if we offered Green Bay Pollard for Moll. THey traded Moll to the Ravens for a safety that is basically only a special teams player. I would have thought Pollard was more valuable than him, and it would have been nice to get Moll.

I would still like to see Pioli pursue trying to trade for Scott Wells if he would come cheap. He would be a nice upgrade over anything we can offer at center.