Interesting the Broncos would release Kyle Orton... the week the first-place Raiders r playing the Bears w Caleb Hanie.

Orton is not good enough to get to the Super Bowl with. That's the only standard for a QB that matters.

Maybe a chance to be competitive but if you have watched this team at all the past few games, Kyle Orton alone will not win this sorry team games against the opponents on the upcoming schedule. Too many gaps all-around for that to happen.

and cassel is?

No he doesnt. Mike Martz was not there when Orton was.

Didn't say that he was.

Thats pretty much it.

Orton's familiar with some of the players on the roster. He's familiar with the stadium. He's familiar with the town. In terms of stepping in, he's the most logical available QB.

Unproven Stanzi can give us a good shot at being competitive again this season. He sure the hell would be fun to watch even if he throws Ints. He can most likely get the chains moving by converting 3rd down conversions.


Why after twenty years of Carl Peterson do Chiefs fans still want Carl Peterson type QB transactions ?????


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Do you guys really think Clark doesn't care about winning the super bowl, as long as tickets are sold? Do you know how much money he could make, how much they could raise prices, if the team actually won something?

Just play Stanzi.

Id rather have Orton than the combination of Cassel and Palko, but that would mean Orton would have to be re-signed after the year and that would likely take money that would get us back into a repeating cycle not unlike the one we are hopefully on the tail end of.

Lets start a new path.

One that includes us starting our own kid for once in history.

START RICKY STANZI!

Agree, I want to know if he is a long term solution to the backup position for a 1st rd QB next year...

This. I've said this numerous times on this board. Now that we know we aren't going to win the division or compete in the playoffs, why not just put the kid in and see what he can do???

He could be a massive failure. And if he is, then we finish the season 4-12 and draft Barkley, RG3, Foles, or Tannehill. If he's not and he beasts, then we build on that for the future.

We literally have NOTHING to lose by playing Stanzi and NOTHING to gain by playing Palko.

:spock:

Yeah.....totally different offense.....but hey....he's playing in the same stadium. He should be just fine. :facepalm:

STANZI!!!

If we claimed Orton, we would still only have two of our qbs under contract for next year.

Cassel and Stanzi.

That gives us ONE quarterback that is under contract next year that is active.

Just off that information, don't they pretty much have to start the kid at some point?

I knew I would see this thread when I got off work.

I havent read any of the responses so forgive me but,

Why WOULDNT we claim him?

We aren't going to start Stanzi at all this year until maybe game 16 and we aren't going to sign Orton. Orton would make a good back up but that's the point. Pioli won't do it and they will say it isn't worth bringing him in for 5 games since it would take him at least a week to get up to speed to start.

Gotta give the Squire a chance. I call him the Squire, cause he looks like the kid from the Sword in the Stone.

That requires logic. Our front office doesn't operate like that.

Palko should get another start or two. Does not mean he has to finish the game.
I guess Orton would be up to speed by then. I don't see much point in it though

Yeah... just because he's the only available QB familiar with some of the Chicago skill position players, knows the wind conditions in the stadium, knows the weather conditions, and is familiar with everything else from the media to how to drive to work in the morning, obviously means he's a poor choice, because you think it so. "facepalm".

If they don't see him as "Their Franchise" QB. What's the point?

Start Stanzi the rest of the season. How hard is it to understand you need to see if he is the long term answer or not?

He isnt the long term answer as a starter, but we need to know if he is the long term answer as our backup for damn sure...

Because they need to figure out if Stanzi is the answer.

Nobody knows that. Look how many people miss on 1st round QB's every year.

He is a legit prospect. I'm sorry you don't think that, but he absolutely is.

Let me ask you this....if IYO he isn't the long term answer as a starter, what FACTS lead you to this conclusion?

Try not to say 5th in your response....no matter how hard that might be.

5th round picks aren't legit prospects.

unless his name is Brady and he's taken in the 6th round...

Play Stanzi forget Orton because HE ****ING SUCKS!!

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Your bar on him is set really low then, I presume.


My bar for him is set fairly high and I think he surpasses both of our expectations.

Yes and I think it applies to the whole family.

Let me see if I can list 5 reasons why I think he is a valuable asset as a backkup QB and not a starter. These are the 5 facts that I am basing my opinion off of. The 5th reason is the most important reason.

1. Not accurate on the deep ball

2. Questionable footwork

3. Inconsistent

4. Forces throws.

5th. He was a 5th round pick.. Not a franchise pick.

I like the kid, dont get me wrong. But I like him as a backup with some trade value 2-3 years down the road.

I dont see him as a long term investment by this franchise. Actually you rarely see many franchises investing heavily in a 5th round QB prospect as the QBOTF...


Did I use 5th enough?

I'll be happy if he's a solid backup but we won't know that if he doesn't get his chance.

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but believing something doesn't make it true.

I mean, I think I'm an amazing guy that any pair of supermodels would be lucky to get their hands on. But ask the supermodels and they'll probably tell you something else. Or just ask "who?"

And the kicker is that neither myself nor the supermodels would be wrong, from each of our perspectives.

That's the bitch about opinion.

Broncos are smart enough to move on from Orton despite a couple of years like Cassel's 2010. I really think Pioli would like to double down on Cassel by bringing McDaniels in, but I don't think Hunt will let him do it. Cassel will be a season ticket renewal killing machine.

He played great under McDaniels who runs the same offense as us. We would be stupid not to get him. Hes easily an upgrade over Cassel.

We don't run the same offense as McDaniels. Tyler Palko is also an upgrade over Cassel, but I don't want him as my quarterback for any extended length of time.

I think you are hot keg

I'll go with no team claims Orton and the Bears sign him for $20 and a small deep dish pizza.

Unbelievable Chiefs fans actually want Orton here OMG. :shake:




Who knows how Stanzi is going turn out, he is worth giving a shot for the rest of the season.



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"Hey, Coach Haley! Do you think you should pick up Kyle Orton?"

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who's saying this to?

Its absolutely embarrassing to say the least...

Not only can we bring back mullets. Lets grow neck beards as well..

Here is the reality of it all..

Cassell will be back as the starter...

Stanzi will not start a game this year unless it is the last game and Palko keeps stinking it up

Orton will never be a Chief


This team will continue riding the train of stupidity that has haunted us for decades. Ask yourself this, when was the last time the Chiefs drafted a QB to be a franchise QB? Todd Blackledge? This team for 3 years ignored dire needs on both lines and the line help they did draft if very questionable i.e. Tyson Jackson with the #5 pick and put into a 3-4. We could have had Cody last year but no...instead he is started for Baltimore and we got Baltimore's cast off. We drafted Powe and he has never seen the field, same with Stanzi. Meanwhile Piloli\Haley are in love with a 5'7" scatback. We have gone through 3 OC's and the current one doesn't know his ass from his elbow.

This team is 3 years, a head coach, a QB, 2 D-Lineman, 2 LB's, 2 O-lineman and a QB away from really threatening to win in the post-season.

And that's if Piloi pulls his head out of his ass and suddenly gets smart about things.

I'd do him.

What does signing Orton really do for this team? How does winning another two games help this team in the long term? Does it make it easier or harder to get a franchise QB? Does it really help Jonathan Baldwin or the O-Line in the long term? I don't see how that argument can be cogently supported.

This team needs to bottom out, yet again, in order to have a chance to succeed. Yeah, we may draft a franchise QB if we end up 6-10 or 7-9, but are the odds better or worse than if we're 4-12?

How much did those victories against Oakland and Denver really help us in 2008? How much have those empty victories against Indy and San Diego really helped us now?

Orton does absolutely nothing unless you intend to keep him as a backup next year which isn't an entirely bad idea. But our organization is under the impression that because our division is so weak we can still win it

Yeah, but Orton will likely look to go to a place where he can compete for a job as a starter, like Cleveland. Were we to draft a QB high bringing him in as a one-year stopgap would be fine, but bringing him in now actually makes it less likely that we get a young, promising QB, thus obviating the need for him next year.

I would almost rather have him as a stop gap. Sign Orton, draft a QB and let him ride the pine for a year. If we keep Cassel as the stop gap I am afraid the gap will never stop. This team has to face some reality. The QB isn't going to get us anywhere. Our head coach isn't going to get us anywhere. Drafting 5'7" specialty players when you desparately need line help on both sides of the ball isn't going to get us anywhere. Going through an OC per season isn't going to get us anywhere.

So did McDaniels suddenly stop using the Earnhart-Perkins offense when he went to Denver, or did we suddenly stop using it this year?

Haley, McDaniels, Weis, and Muir are all E-P offense guys...

We could claim Orton, see how he does the rest of the year. If nothing else we can let him walk at the end of the year and pick up the compensation pick.

No he doesn't, Mike Martz is the OC now. But he does know where the locker room, bars and eateries are.

There are 52 other guys out there busting their asses to win. Have you seen the look on Bowe's face with some of the passes he has been faced with to catch? The guys need a chance to succeed after having ****ing Cassel for 2.5 years, or they are going to want out of town.

Sorry if repost, but I didnt see this in the thread..And I dont see people talking about this angle...so here it is...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-to-get-orton/


Plenty of teams could block Bears’ effort to get Orton

Posted by Mike Florio on November 22, 2011, 10:13 PM EST

AP
It’s a nice, feel-good Thanksgiving week story. Bears quarterback Jay Cutler breaks a thumb. The Broncos have cut a former Bears quarterback who’d like to play in Chicago again. And there’s nothing more natural than a homecoming on the fourth Thursday in November.

The only problem? At least 22 teams can provide the flight delay and/or the traffic jam that prevents Kyle Orton from scarfing down sausage with the Superfans.

After the trading deadline, all players who are released must pass through waivers. Priority is determined by record. And so every team higher than the Bears in the pecking order will have dibs on Orton, if they choose to exercise it.

The Bears reportedly are No. 30 on the list. Which means that every team except the 49ers and Packers will be able to grab him.

It doesn’t matter whether Orton “wants” to play for the Bears. If another team claims him, he has 2.5 million reasons to show up.

At the top of the stack, what better way to test whether the Colts are in full-blown “Suck for Luck” mode than to see whether they’d bring in a quarterback who is significantly better than Curtis Painter or Dan Orlovsky? They’d be crazy not to make a claim. Unless they’re truly crazy for Andrew Luck.

The 4-6 Chiefs also need help, given the performance of Tyler Palko on Monday night. (And with the Chiefs playing the Broncos again on January 1, there could be some strategic benefit to having him around.) Ditto for the Redskins, whose head coach could be coaching for his job, with Rex Grossman and John Beck as the blanks in the bazooka.

And how about NFC teams that hope to pick off a wild-card berth if/when the Bears slide with Caleb Hanie or Nathan Enderle? The 7-3 Lions, 6-4 Falcons, the 6-4 Cowboys (whose primary backup, Jon Kitna, is banged up), the 6-4 Giants, the 4-6 Bucs, and even the 4-6 Dream Team would have an incentive to block the Bears from getting their way.

Let’s also not forget about the Texans, who may not be completely sold on Matt Leinart, despite the decision to put all their eggs in a beer bong.

Finally, it would be foolish to overlook good, old-fashioned spite. In 2002, Deion Sanders wanted to emerge from retirement and hop onto the silver-and-black bandwagon. So the Redskins released his rights. And former Redskins coach Marty Schottenheimer, the man whose presence in 2001 prompted Sanders to pick retirement over playing, put in a waivers claim on Sanders, short-circuiting his plan. With three NFC North teams on track to make it to the playoffs, maybe the 2-8 Vikings would be tempted to keep the Bears from getting Orton, in the hopes that they’ll have company in the non-playoff party.

That’s highly unlikely. But the point is that there are many possible motivations, and just because the Bears want Orton and Orton wants the Bears, it doesn’t mean he’ll end up there. Indeed, the fact that the Bears and Orton are trying to rendezvous could be the tiebreaker for a team that is thinking about disrupting that plan.

UPDATE 10:35 p.m. ET: As a reader pointed out on Twitter, claiming Orton has another benefit. When he leaves as a free agent in March 2012, the team that employs him for six weeks would be in line of a compensatory draft pick. So there’s one more good reason to consider doing it.

Excellent post.

How shitty would it be if we claim him and before a snap on our team, he is signed to a $60 mil contract? That would be called purgatory.

There are at most a couple of players out there busting their asses. The rest either don't care or aren't good enough to notice that they're trying.

Then start Stanzi. Next man up.

I was all for that, until I read Keg's well thought out post today. Stanzi clearly showed talent in his limited exposure in Preseason.
If we really want to give Stanzi a chance to succeed, this is not it. No way could I do justice to Keg's post, but it made a lot of sense. I will try and find it for a link.

At this point he's had 2/3 of a season. He has talented options around him. He has a decent offensive line. This isn't Jacksonville. St. Louis, or Cleveland.

Also, Stanzi is pretty fungible.

If he shows you something, great, it's another asset of value. If he doesn't, whatever.

Good points.
Sorry, had to google fungible, similar action required with a lot of your words. :D

Here is what Keg had to say in the other thread, and it totally changed my mind. I have been one of the guys screaming for Stanzi since the start of the season. I for one, am sick of other retreads, but think this might be the right instance to finish out the season with one.

He makes good points in that post I would almost agree, the history of the Chiefs not playing or giving drafted QBs the opportunity to play & learn the game by playing is and has been the biggest issue sinse the time of Blackledge. This could be our moment to change history for the Chiefs. We going to let that go? If any thing Stanzi could play a series or two to get him wet. If he does well then continue to insert him in the games to follow more and more to bust his cherry ripe for next year. It's really time to change the mentallity of Chiefs & fans for the fear of rookie QBs & the Blackledge curse for any thing else is what we get to live with. It's our moment.

You would think that if anybody understands the value of a bad ass QB it would be Pioli. He messed up with Matt and no way he can't see that. His top priority should be to fix that error thorgh the draft or FA. I hope it's the draft but even that has it's drawabacks. This team has been building via the draft for three years. If we had a good QB now we would be dangerous.

He had better get rid of Matt for next year and try somebody else.

I honestly think Stanzi has the skills to be the guy. He's arrogant as hell and most importatntly is capable of make plays. I watched him alot in college and the kid is a GAMER that hates losing. Good arm and attitude would do wonders for us.

But of course he will never get to play.

I kind of hope he goes to CHI, and plays really well except against the Broncos.

Or keep him as a much cheaper fill in than C@$$hole, whom we should cut, and run with Orton until a rookie/Stanzi is ready for his chance.

You need to draft a QB if this is the route you want to take, putting all your eggs in a basket on a 5th rounder is not very smart

best rep of the dayLMAO

Was that from Boss Chief?

Especially considering many are still clamoring for Haley to stay put. ANY QB is going to have a difficult time on this team as long as he's coach. Asking them to work with numerous different offensive coaches (4 or 5 now?) plus Haley might be asking too much. Even for a seasoned vet.

And thinking Haley has the ability to develop a QB is insane. It's difficult even with the most experienced, patient, and brilliant coaches. None of which applies to Haley.

This is not good for us in the long run. I'd say chances are 50/50 we claim Orton. That would completely destroy any hope of seeing Stanzi this year and with it any chance of drafting a QB. Only good thing that can come out of it is Orton replaces Cassel.

EGG-zackly.

Claiming Orton might actually SAVE US from the horrible future that awaits.

Alas, our next head coach can't stand him.

Who is our next head coach?

The only person that I know that has a relationship with him is McDaniels, and McDaniels traded for him.... and help him put up monster numbers one year.

If McDaniels comes in, then he will have Cassel and Orton sitting there with Stanzi to develop.

Dude, give it a rest. You might be the ONLY person on the face of the Earth that thinks have Josh McDaniels with Matt Cassel and Kyle Orton is a good thing.

Go ahead and tell us how we need to draft a left tackle in the 1st round and your transformation will be complete.

Perhaps you didn't notice the question. Who do you think is the next head coach?

With as absolutely awful as the Rams have been on offense this year, I think that McDaniels may be a coaching leper. That moron installed a system that his QB is completely incapable of executing.