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the Talking Can 03-29-2012 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sedated (Post 8502295)
LOL QUE? Russell Robinson was more of a true PG than Hinrich or TT.

huh?

no...Self's pg's have almost all been 2's...with the exception of Collins

i think hinrich, TT, and russel are all more in the combo mold...collins and miles are true pgs, with collins being a scoring pg and miles a distributor...

Pants 03-29-2012 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8502736)
huh?

no...Self's pg's have almost all been 2's...with the exception of Collins

i think hinrich, TT, and russel are all more in the combo mold...collins and miles are true pgs, with collins being a scoring pg and miles a distributor...

Russ Rob was a true PG, mang.

the Talking Can 03-29-2012 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pants (Post 8502865)
Russ Rob was a true PG, mang.

no, he wasn't

he was a shooting guard recruited as a shooting guard
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=447686

Mr. Laz 03-29-2012 06:47 PM

a shooting guard that couldn't shoot

teedubya 03-29-2012 08:55 PM

http://www2.kusports.com/podcasts/pr...lijah-johnson/

Elijah Final Four Interview Podcast.

Mr. Plow 03-29-2012 09:45 PM

Interesting tidbits about KU/UK in the tournament I stole from Phog.



Of the combined 29 Final Fours between the two schools, this is only the 2nd one in which KU and UK were both a part of (1993 and 2012). In addition, KU and UK have only played twice in the tourney and both times in the 2nd round (UK winning in 1999 and KU winning in 2007).

For the tremendous history of these programs, it's amazing that they have not played more often in the tourney and never past the 2nd round.

Buehler445 03-29-2012 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ari Chi3fs (Post 8503369)
http://www2.kusports.com/podcasts/pr...lijah-johnson/

Elijah Final Four Interview Podcast.

Dude is really well spoken.

Bambi 03-29-2012 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 8503474)
Interesting tidbits about KU/UK in the tournament I stole from Phog.



Of the combined 29 Final Fours between the two schools, this is only the 2nd one in which KU and UK were both a part of (1993 and 2012). In addition, KU and UK have only played twice in the tourney and both times in the 2nd round (UK winning in 1999 and KU winning in 2007).

For the tremendous history of these programs, it's amazing that they have not played more often in the tourney and never past the 2nd round.

I'm tellin you. It's destiny.

Bambi 03-29-2012 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Braincase (Post 8502707)
Kansas #2 in Faculty Fulbright Scholars...
#1 in city planning/urban dev programs...
#1 in special education...
#4 in pharmacy research...

And rising fast in a number of other programs (personally, I'm excited about Medical Device Design in the BioMechanical Engineering Program).

Nice. KU should make a push to get into the SEC.

ROFL

Lzen 03-30-2012 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 8503509)
Dude is really well spoken.

I love listening to EJ interviews. He reminds me very much of a good friend of mind. He seems to be a thinker. Sits back and ponders things.

RockChalk 03-30-2012 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 8503794)
I love listening to EJ interviews. He reminds me very much of a good friend of mind. He seems to be a thinker. Sits back and ponders things.

For 2 years now, I've been telling friends that EJ will be one of those really cool old dudes that you just want to sit down with and listen to. Hell, he pretty much already is (except he's lacking age). Can't wait to see how he does as a leader next season.

Kyle DeLexus 03-30-2012 07:59 AM

Aaron Miles has always been one of my favorite Jayhawks, but with that list it's hard to rank him very high.

Lzen 03-30-2012 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ari Chi3fs (Post 8503369)
http://www2.kusports.com/podcasts/pr...lijah-johnson/

Elijah Final Four Interview Podcast.

While we're at it, how about Bill Self's press conference? Love the part at about 6:30 where he says "Hey Jack". I assume he's talking to Jack Harry.

Bambi 03-30-2012 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 8503937)
While we're at it, how about Bill Self's press conference? Love the part at about 6:30 where he says "Hey Jack". I assume he's talking to Jack Harry.

His shot at the "local media" was set directly at Jack Harry. It was hilarious.

KU fans should chill though. JH is about to kill himself based on what he's been saying lately.

sedated 03-30-2012 08:39 AM

I was bored, so I rewatched the KU-Ohio State game last night. Hard to believe it was that long ago – it was the same day as the Heisman ceremony, the Xavier/Cincinnati brawl, and Charlie Weis was hired as KU’s football coach.

Thomas was a beast in the 1st half. I think he had 12 points in the first 13 minutes, including a few 3s. He was also a bit of a hot-head in the 2nd half, needing his teammates to pull him away from the ref at one point.

Ravenel was completely useless as a defender in the post. He couldn’t maintain his box-out when we swung the ball from side to side, so ended up fouling.

EJ was the man, hitting 4 of his first 5 3s (IIRC), and I think 5 of 7 overall.

I remembered Young’s 3s as the turning point in the game, but that kid was all over the place. He drew 2 offensive fouls, got rebounds, and finished on some fast breaks. A lot of that was because of opportunity – Withey didn’t play a whole lot, partially because of fouls, partially because of matchups, and partially because Young was playing so well. Young probably played as many minutes as Robinson.

Lzen 03-30-2012 08:44 AM

Can't wait until tomorrow!
 
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Mr_Tomahawk 03-30-2012 09:57 AM

Final Four 2012: Kentucky's Anthony Davis named AP player of year

Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-bas...#ixzz1qcGhKoUr

Dr. Johnny Fever 03-30-2012 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 8504169)
Final Four 2012: Kentucky's Anthony Davis named AP player of year

Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-bas...#ixzz1qcGhKoUr

Meh I can live with that... he's deserved it.

Fritz88 03-30-2012 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 8504169)
Final Four 2012: Kentucky's Anthony Davis named AP player of year

Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-bas...#ixzz1qcGhKoUr

TRob deserved it. Whatever.
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Braincase 03-30-2012 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. noonanbeermefever (Post 8504230)
Meh I can live with that... he's deserved it.

I hope TRob feels disrespected and takes it out on the remaining teams.

teedubya 03-30-2012 10:34 AM

I hope this snub pisses off TRob and sends him into full-on beast mode and hope this makes Anthony Davis a bit complacent...

**** you, Associated Press.

Fritz88 03-30-2012 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Braincase (Post 8504298)
I hope TRob feels disrespected and takes it out on the remaining teams.

That's my thought too. Although we are hoping for too much. Final four should be enough. I have to always remind myself.
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Bambi 03-30-2012 10:36 AM

Who cares. I want a Championship.

Mr. Laz 03-30-2012 10:43 AM

Quote:

Davis received 43 votes, Robinson 20
nobody as ugly as Davis should win the POTY

Dr. Johnny Fever 03-30-2012 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Braincase (Post 8504298)
I hope TRob feels disrespected and takes it out on the remaining teams.

Excellent point... I completely concur.

Buehler445 03-30-2012 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Braincase (Post 8504298)
I hope TRob feels disrespected and takes it out on the remaining teams.

This.

Unleash the fury, fire, and brimstone, TROB.

Buehler445 03-30-2012 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 8504304)
Who cares. I want a Championship.

I want one too. And believe me, my TV will get yelled at a lot this weekend.

But I'm expecting a loss. The fact remains that this team has 5 guys that can play ball. 5.

Mr. Laz 03-30-2012 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 8504790)
I want one too. And believe me, my TV will get yelled at a lot this weekend.

But I'm expecting a loss. The fact remains that this team has 5 guys that can play ball. 5.

Young told me to tell you that you're a worthless bastige and that you should DIAF.


just sayin'

:D

007 03-30-2012 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 8504169)
Final Four 2012: Kentucky's Anthony Davis named AP player of year

Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-bas...#ixzz1qcGhKoUr

Frank Haith named AP Coach of the Year too.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports...MlS_story.html

What a joke.

KC_Connection 03-30-2012 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 8504169)
Final Four 2012: Kentucky's Anthony Davis named AP player of year

Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-bas...#ixzz1qcGhKoUr

As he should have.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru
Frank Haith named AP Coach of the Year too.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports...MlS_story.html

What a joke.

As he shouldn't have.

Fritz88 03-30-2012 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8505050)
Frank Haith named AP Coach of the Year too.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports...MlS_story.html

What a joke.

If Self deserved a NCOY award in his 9 seasons at KU, it would be this one.

This is a ****ing joke.

Messier 03-30-2012 02:34 PM

I see the vote was made before the tournament started.

Messier 03-30-2012 02:35 PM

Oh well, Haith can have COY, I'll take the final four.

Buehler445 03-30-2012 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8504986)
Young told me to tell you that you're a worthless bastige and that you should DIAF.


just sayin'

:D

That's fine. He's put together 2 or 3 really solid games and a few OK games but he isn't very good. He can't be counted on To score or defend. He can be counted on for a defensive lapse and 2 epic stupid fouls. He is going the right direction though, he is getting better. Hopefully my comments are good for young going 20 and 10, wesley going 10 and 10 with 2 blocks and Teahan going 8-8 from 3.

But the fact remains we have 5 guys that can play. 5.5 if you insist on Young.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 8505151)
Oh well, Haith can have COY, I'll take the final four.

This. 101 out of 100 times.

Bambi 03-30-2012 03:18 PM

Self has never won AP COY?

lol

no wonder we always win

007 03-30-2012 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 8505233)
Self has never won AP COY?

lol

no wonder we always win

They are hoping Kansas will go away if they keep ignoring it.

Bambi 03-30-2012 03:30 PM

Stan Weber says:

KU Basketball 2012 = KSU Football 2011

sedated 03-30-2012 03:32 PM

This Davis/NPOY shit is infuriating.

“Ground-breaking defensive player”? He ranks third in blocks AMONG FRESHMEN.

He set the record for lowest points per game (14.3) to win NPOY.

But he “changes the game”. Bullshit. Lots of players “change the game”, including the one that has been beaten up by double and triple teams all year and still dwarfed Davis’ numbers.

sedated 03-30-2012 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 8505248)
Stan Weber says:

KU Basketball 2012 = KSU Football 2011

who cares?

Mr_Tomahawk 03-30-2012 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 8505233)
Self has never won AP COY?

lol

no wonder we always win

2009

Bambi 03-30-2012 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 8505262)
2009

oh, I was lookin at Naismith.

In that case it's all good!

Mr. Laz 03-30-2012 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 8505248)
Stan Weber says:

KU Basketball 2012 = KSU Football 2011

Stan Weber can blow the KSU Wildcat

http://lschwinn.files.wordpress.com/...012-willie.jpg

Silock 03-30-2012 04:01 PM

Trob deserved it more. Played against better competition. I don't care that Davis will be the number one pick.

Mr_Tomahawk 03-30-2012 04:03 PM

I don't care about individual accolades...only team ones.

KC_Connection 03-30-2012 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sedated (Post 8505253)
This Davis/NPOY shit is infuriating.

“Ground-breaking defensive player”? He ranks third in blocks AMONG FRESHMEN.

He set the record for lowest points per game (14.3) to win NPOY.

But he “changes the game”. Bullshit. Lots of players “change the game”, including the one that has been beaten up by double and triple teams all year and still dwarfed Davis’ numbers.

There's nothing bullshit about it. There is a reason Kentucky is the favorite of the four teams remaining in this tournament, a reason Davis is set to be the #1 pick in the draft, and a reason he's expected to step in to the NBA as a tremendous defensive force once he gets there. This isn't some media conspiracy, Davis is actually the best and most impressive player in the NCAA.

O.city 03-30-2012 04:06 PM

People need to take the rose colored glasses off.



TROB is a great player and has had an exceptional year.


Davis is better. Better on both ends. Kentucky has alot more talent so he's not asked to do as much on offense as TROB, but he could.

Bambi 03-30-2012 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8505309)
People need to take the rose colored glasses off.



TROB is a great player and has had an exceptional year.


Davis is better. Better on both ends. Kentucky has alot more talent so he's not asked to do as much on offense as TROB, but he could.

TROB?

Oh, I thought we were all pissed cause Tyshawn was supposed to win POY.

Chiefspants 03-30-2012 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8505309)
People need to take the rose colored glasses off.



TROB is a great player and has had an exceptional year.


Davis is better. Better on both ends. Kentucky has alot more talent so he's not asked to do as much on offense as TROB, but he could.

The balance on their offense is quite reminiscent to KU's in 2008, Brandon Rush led the team in scoring with what, 13 PPG?

Mr. Plow 03-30-2012 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sedated (Post 8505253)
This Davis/NPOY shit is infuriating.

“Ground-breaking defensive player”? He ranks third in blocks AMONG FRESHMEN.

He set the record for lowest points per game (14.3) to win NPOY.

But he “changes the game”. Bullshit. Lots of players “change the game”, including the one that has been beaten up by double and triple teams all year and still dwarfed Davis’ numbers.

Blocks. Blocks are what are important this year. Never again, and never before, but this it's the year they picked. Scoring and rebounding will once again be important next year.

Silock 03-30-2012 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8505309)
Better on both ends. Kentucky has alot more talent so he's not asked to do as much on offense as TROB, but he could.

Horseshit. David doesn't face double teams every time. Trob has better numbers despite that.

Mr. Plow 03-30-2012 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silock (Post 8505338)
Horseshit. David doesn't face double teams every time. Trob has better numbers despite that.

Forget numbers, they mean little.

Mr. Plow 03-30-2012 04:25 PM

Oh wait, he's going to be the #1 pick in the draft and a defensive force in the NBA? Yeah, that matters in college. Lol.

007 03-30-2012 04:26 PM

ACtually I like the fact that KU is getting zero respect. Keeps the players focused.

KC_Connection 03-30-2012 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 8505345)
Oh wait, he's going to be the #1 pick in the draft and a defensive force in the NBA? Yeah, that matters in college. Lol.

It does. He's the chief reason UK has lost ONE game all season and beat down KU (and TRob) at MSG.

007 03-30-2012 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 8505369)
It does. He's the chief reason UK has lost ONE game all season and beat down KU (and TRob) at MSG.

Who cares. They are not a college team. Just a bunch of one and dones.

Chiefs Pantalones 03-30-2012 04:41 PM

I hope we win and I hope we play UK.

KC_Connection 03-30-2012 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8505370)
Who cares. They are not a college team. Just a bunch of one and dones.

Did freshmen recently stop being counted as college players?

007 03-30-2012 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 8505373)
Did freshmen recently stop being counted as college players?

Get a degree and I'll call them college players.

Thig Lyfe 03-30-2012 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8505374)
Get a degree and I'll call them college players.

So wait, college players aren't college players until they're done with college?

KC_Connection 03-30-2012 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8505374)
Get a degree and I'll call them college players.

We better take away our 2008 title, then. The team was full of two/three and dones.

KC_Connection 03-30-2012 04:46 PM

Code:

%Min ORtg %Poss  eFG% TS% OR%  DR% ARate TORate Blk% Stl% FC/40 FD/40 FT Rate
 78.7 106.9 29.6 52.0 55.6 11.1 30.9 13.6 17.2        3.1  2.1  3.6  5.8   46.9

Code:

%Min ORtg %Poss  eFG% TS% OR%  DR% ARate TORate Blk% Stl% FC/40 FD/40 FT Rate
 79.3 135.8 19.1 63.8 66.3 11.5 23.5 6.9  9.1        13.9  2.5  2.5  4.7  59.9

If you want to look at the stats, there really isn't much that TRob is superior to Davis at apart from his defensive rebounding. And while this can be partially attributed to his huge role in the offense, he's a far, far less efficient player offensively.

007 03-30-2012 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 8505378)
We better take away our 2008 title, then. The team was full of two/three and dones.

Associate degrees.

I'm sorry but one and dones have no place in college basketball and I can't respect a program or coach that fills his team with them. Calipari.

007 03-30-2012 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thig Lyfe (Post 8505377)
So wait, college players aren't college players until they're done with college?

Those players are not there for college. They are there because the NBA for some stupid reason decided to require one year of college.

KC_Connection 03-30-2012 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8505391)
Those players are not there for college. They are there because the NBA for some stupid reason decided to require one year of college.

I hate to break it to you, but none of the main players on KU really give much of a damn about a college degree. This is major college sports here. They're all at KU to help bridge to professional basketball careers. If they could have gotten to the NBA after their freshman years, they all would have made that same choice.

KC_Connection 03-30-2012 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8505390)
Associate degrees.

I'm sorry but one and dones have no place in college basketball and I can't respect a program or coach that fills his team with them. Calipari.

One and dones have a place in college basketball as long as the rules allow for that. Just like Calipari, Self would take Shabazz is a second if he could get him in Lawrence.

KC_Connection 03-30-2012 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder (Post 8505372)
I hope we win and I hope we play UK.

I hope we win and play Louisville. Way easier that way. Although I think KU could beat UK, I don't consider it all that likely.

007 03-30-2012 04:56 PM

Lots of teams will take one player that is a one and done and I can live with that. But when you fill up your team with them like Calipari does then you don't give a shit about the point of going to college in the first place.

Yeah, the rules allow for it. Doesn't mean it isn't a dumbass rule.

KC_Connection 03-30-2012 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8505411)
Lots of teams will take one player that is a one and done and I can live with that. But when you fill up your team with them like Calipari does then you don't give a shit about the point of going to college in the first place.

Yeah, the rules allow for it. Doesn't mean it isn't a dumbass rule.

The NCAA is a dumbass organization. I don't blame teams (and coaches) for taking advantage of that.

007 03-30-2012 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 8505412)
The NCAA is a dumbass organization. I don't blame teams (and coaches) for taking advantage of that.

I agree with your first comment.

KC_Connection 03-30-2012 04:59 PM

If Calipari could keep these guys at UK longer, I'm sure he'd love that. He doesn't recruit "one and dones," he recruits the best players he possibly can out of high school because NBA rules stupidly force these kids to wait until they're 19 to be drafted. I really don't see what the problem is on his end (or anybody else that takes advantage of this like Self has with Henry and Selby).

007 03-30-2012 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 8505412)
The NCAA is a dumbass organization. I don't blame teams (and coaches) for taking advantage of that.

BTW, if Calipari could keep these guys at UK longer, I'm sure he'd love that. He doesn't recruit "one and dones," he recruits the best players he possibly can.

BS. He knows they are only going to stay one year and he as well as the university do not even give a shit. They are setting a horrible precedent with what they are doing. I only hope that UK does NOT win the NC to help tarnish the thought.

KC_Connection 03-30-2012 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8505421)
BS. He knows they are only going to stay one year and he as well as the university do not even give a shit. They are setting a horrible precedent with what they are doing. I only hope that UK does NOT win the NC to help tarnish the thought.

So your argument is that he shouldn't recruit the best players in America because he thinks they might go to the NBA. He should recruit less talented players instead and make things far more difficult for the program.

Yeah...I'm not seeing any logic to this.

Chiefs Pantalones 03-30-2012 05:13 PM

Hubert, Vitale and Jay all pick OSU over KU. Shocker. They say we don't have anybody that can guard Buford or Sullinger and TRob would have to have a huge game to win.

Chiefs Pantalones 03-30-2012 05:15 PM

Bob Knight said it best about Calipari (ESPN made him apologize): He's a disgrace to basketball and just sports in general. He's terrible for sports.

Mr. Laz 03-30-2012 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder (Post 8505372)
I hope we win and I hope we play the team we have the best chance of beating.

fyp

to hell with that pride crap, i just want to win.

KC_Connection 03-30-2012 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder (Post 8505447)
Hubert, Vitale and Jay all pick OSU over KU. Shocker. They say we don't have anybody that can guard Buford or Sullinger and TRob would have to have a huge game to win.

If Harrelson can neutralize Sullinger as he did last year, I think Withey can too. He has an issue with size.

A big problem for KU is going to be Deshaun Thomas in my mind.

KC_Connection 03-30-2012 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder (Post 8505451)
Bob Knight said it best about Calipari (ESPN made him apologize): He's a disgrace to basketball and just sports in general. He's terrible for sports.

That had more to do with the violations that followed him than recruiting the best players in the country.

Chiefspants 03-30-2012 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 8505498)
That had more to do with the violations that followed him than recruiting the best players in the country.

And, how does he recruit those players again?

Silock 03-30-2012 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 8505369)
It does. He's the chief reason UK has lost ONE game all season and beat down KU (and TRob) at MSG.

He isn't *the* reason they won that game. Tyshawn's turnovers were a huge factor. Davis had 7 blocks, but Withey had 4. Jones and MKG also had a significant number of blocks in that game. They were a better TEAM that game. It wasn't an individual effort that won them that game.

Chiefs Pantalones 03-30-2012 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 8505498)
That had more to do with the violations that followed him than recruiting the best players in the country.

That goes hand in hand. He's a cheater, scum, lowlife piece of shit. He's a locus. Every where he goes Mr. Vacated follows.


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