Everything I've read on insulin in the past 3 months disagrees with this statement.

I won't say that you're wrong, but based on my understanding this isn't true.

Well, why don't you tell me what you know about its functioning and I'll tell you where the misunderstanding is.

This paragraph sums it up quite nicely.

"Increases in insulin are most highly stimulated by the consumption of starches and sugars, especially the consumption of refined starches and sugars. Eating carbohydrates increases insulin which in turn encourages storage of energy as fat rather than making the food energy available to the body to burn. The more highly refined the carbohydrate, the more its consumption stimulates insulin levels. By causing fat storage instead of making energy available for immediate use of the body, refined carbohydrates result in hunger."

http://ruth-wilson-zamierowski.suite...re-fat-a140987

I could find a bunch of reports saying that carbs are needed by athletes, so a lot comes down to lifestyle.

Insulin is one of the most important aspects of your body that a Ketogenic diet focuses on. It is a hormone secreted by the pancreas that regulates the metabolism of fat and carbs, specifically in the blood. Its main job is to regulate the distribution of energy to the cells of the body from fat storage. Its other job is to regulate blood sugar by producing lipoproteins (or fat proteins) that act as a bailiff for your blood stream and imprison the fat cell into your body once the glucose has been converted to fat. As you eat sugar, the body must produce more insulin to keep up with ramped levels of sugar in the body and eventually your body begins to resist insulin. When you eat less carbs, less insulin is required to patrol your bloodstream and regulate your sugar. This means, simply, less fat storage as a result.

Here's something else. I don't know who wrote these and if they are actually right or not, but I've never read anything that said insulin is not involved in the storage of fat.

Sure.

I'm debating whether eating 1600 calories of chicken is the same as eating 1600 calories of candy.

Not the same thing. You won't find an athlete whose diet consists of just candy because they'll lose muscle without protein and using just sugar as fuel is stupid.

And? That doesn't contradict anything I said. Yes, insulin will cause you to store carbs as fat in the event of an excess of blood sugar (although, it does a LOT more than just that... Insulin is an incredible hormone and we still don't know everything about it. It's a storage hormone and an action hormone. It's also incredibly important in muscle building).

But read what I said again. Yes, insulin will spike. It will store the energy as fat. But, when the calories remain low for the rest of the day, insulin remains low and the fat that got stored will be burned off to cover energy needs.

There are many studies with 24 hour calorimeters that show this to be true.

No one ever said that it wasn't.

Also, insulin resistance is real, but there are many things that affect it. It's not just diet. Exercise plays a huge role. And you will never eliminate insulin from your body. Well, not unless you are dead.

But insulin spikes aren't necessarily a bad thing. Like I said, large amounts of protein can provide the same kinds of insulin spikes that sugars cause. Your body has to do something with the food you ingested, and insulin is the driver of the bus.

That is badass!

We aren't talking about that. We are talking simply about energy. That's all I've ever been talking about. Nutritional content is different, but it has little to do with the kinds of energy surpluses that make you fat.

Edit: also, explain your statement that using sugar for fuel is stupid. Sugar is energy. That's what it does. That's what everything the breaks down into sugars does, and the things that break down into sugars are lots more things than just what we traditionally think of as sugar.

but you have also debated that we should give up all sugars.

Yeah. This is not smart.

Meh, diet is usually the problem.

I can't believe this thread is still going strong. LMAO

DERP!

/grabs bag of Peanut M&M's

I have never done that.

If it's not stupid then why don't more people do it? Sugar is cheap? You'd think that somebody would have outlined and all sugar diet now that saved you money and got you fit.

Jesus Christ. You have to be trolling.

This is so stupid. Why are you arguing against me. An all sugar diet is going to result in storage of fat and loss of lean muscle and that's a fact.

I'd like this thread to get back on topic if possible.

People use sugar for fuel all the time. You said "just sugar for fuel is stupid." What were you talking about? Fuel for sports? Or for an entire day's worth of calories and nothing else on a permanent basis?

The word "moderation" has been said 33 times in this thread. Are you just skipping over that part or... WTF?

Those choco chip cookie i just had were bomb

Bullshit it's a fact. You have provided no parameters on caloric intake and thus far displayed an astounding lack of knowledge about how insulin works.

Nothing else. That's what we've been arguing.
Are you telling me that you won't lose lean muscle if you don't eat enough protein? That's just stupid.

SR, have you looked at Paleo? It has worked well for me.

Again, it's not stupid so much as its simply unsustainable.

Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say that. You did.

You are the one that provided the dual nature of the argument in the accrueing of fat AND loss of muscle. That duality is what I'm refuting.

I guarantee you that if you spent two weeks eating only 800 calories worth of whatever sugar you choose, not only would you lose body fat, but if you did four days a week of full-body resistance training, your muscle loss would be so minimal, you wouldn't even notice.

Also, lean muscle is a funny term. Show me fat muscle.

Drinking a beer and getting ready to eat a piece of cheesecake. It's a routine for me. Somehow I'm not overweight.

I said you would gain fat and lose muscle and that was a fact. You called my fact bullshit. Then I called your bullshit as BS itself.

That is putting words in your mouth? OK.

I'm ****ing done arguing. This is stupid.

I'm beginning to think that diet talk is up there w/ religious and political discussions.

I said it was bullshit because BOTH of those outcomes are not automatic. You put words into my mouth when you ignored the first part of your statement, which is what I had the main beef with, and then added words to the second part, which is what you then focused on.

Look, I wouldn't normally be so hostile, but I don't feel like you are really interested in learning what people are trying to teach you. You are more interested in defending your original premise than listening and learning honest facts.

It's Easter week. Lets all have some jelly beans now.

Don't forget Cadbury Eggs. :drool:

cut a few heads off some peeps too.

Is that why everyone has been eating fish the last 2 months? To replica the what the jewish or Jesus or some holy god giving himself up for? Lets get this to DC. Does fish have sugar in it?

Or microwave them. :D

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All this yet some true is just the government trying to scare the public. All the over obsession with health began when obama got in office period. When obama himself smokes complete bs!

Serious?...

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Now we're talkin'!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just got laid and smoked a cig. Followed it up with drinking another beer(which has both carbs and sugar) now off to eat a powerbar and head to bed.

trifecta

I didn't read the entire thread, so maybe its been covered, but....

What the hell does a diet without sugar look like? I mean, I get cutting out pop and candy, etc. But everything has sugar in it anymore.

Who is suggesting a diet without sugar?

I'm about to change the forum name to Washington DC/The Holy Land and The diet forum

Diets are stupid. Lifestyles are Awesome.

The thread title?
/shrug

/shrug

A normal person can't eat 1600 calories of chicken in one sitting. I already explained it to you. I think your head is made of rock candy.

That doesn't even make sense as diet defines what you always eat as well as what you eat to lose weight. So we can talk about out "lifestyle" diet without talking about dieting. Buck made a diet change to stop eating sugar that has worked from him, but at what point do you consider it a lifestyle versus a diet? Or is it a diet that is his diet?

Sometimes English is thought out. (like silent ght, really?)

Verb vs. Noun.

I should have stated it "Dieting is stupid. Lifestyles are Awesome." to better reflect the meaning of 'diet'.

Awesome.

Sugar is da debil

I never said that.

Jesus Christ. Words have been put into my mouth this whole ****ing thread.

I'm out.

I won't ever share my personal beliefs again.

Perhaps you should eat more pure cane sugar. I hear it helps with developing thicker skin.

That's molasses.

MMMMMM....molasses...

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You sir, are severely misinformed on basic nutrition principles. Saying it all boils down to the basic law of thermodynamics may be a gross oversimplification, but your not going to gain fat AND lose muscle at the say time. Caloric surplus is required if you want to gain ANYTHING. Yes, insulin plays a major role, however at the end of the day, surplus or deficit is KING when it comes to losing or gaining.

Might want to check out some books, maybe Good Calorie Bad Calorie by Gary Taubes would be a good start..

Seems like this was a "Im right, you're wrong" thread from the beginning.

At the end of the day, sugar isn't bad for you and calories in vs. Calories out matters way more than most other nutrition principles.
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This is just completely incorrect but have neither the time or inclination to want to start down this road. Suffice to say I have zero artificial sweetners I am aware of in my diet and I do eat sugar in limited quantities.

You're a girl.

your mom goes to college.

To get more knowledge!

Ooohhhh sick burn. UP TOP!

High Five.
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I've been on an all sugar, low fat diet since new years and ive lost 37lbs and counting.

My biggest bitch about sugar is that diabetes is already a huge problem in this country and people still give ungodly amounts of it to their kids. My boy has already received enough sugary crap from his little girlfriends for Easter to last 6 months and Easter isn’t even here yet. He will get a small percentage of that and I will toss the rest. Fortunately he has not really developed a taste for sugar as he rarely has it but I can see this being harder to control as he gets older.

OR... people can click "Thread Tools" and ignore thread! Amazing!! ROFL

Yeah, especially because they put it (or worse, artificial sweeteners) in literally everything.

As your control over what he consumes wanes, you'll have to rely on him making good decisions. We all know how many good decisions teenagers make.

How exactly is sugar bad for you?
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I decided to give up soda as a teenager and I know several people who decided to be vegetarians as teenagers (opinion may vary on whether or not this is a 'good' decision).

If you grow up eating a multitude of fruits & vegetables you're more likely to continue eating them as an adult. When I was a kid through growing up I used to always answer the "What is your favorite food?" question with "Fruits and vegetables."

Did you grow up in Florida you ****ing hippy?

:)

LOL you'd starve to death.

Yeah, I'm still not understanding this.

Every carbohydrate you consume is broken down into sugar for energy.

Yes, but they are not fat. Higher metabolism. Genetics.

I've been big my entire life. Its a constant struggle.

Yet I'm in good health. Normal BP, cholesterol, and sugar.

You're not an asshole. If this worked for you, great! Well done.

You dont have to cut out sugar to lose weight.

An old friend of mine lost 125lbs by eating a Subway foot long everyday along with Slimfast shakes.

He walked 5-10 miles a day during the week, then 15-20 miles on weekends.

Sundays he ate whatever he wanted.

He has kept it off.

Jareds an old friend of yours?

:D

Please explain how you would starve on a 2,000 calorie a day diet?

ROFL

****load of excessive, stupid cardio.

Masturbation is not cardio, that's why you're fat...