lol, so 3 psychiatrists found one guy sane and he couldnt believe that jews hated him...

he is ****ing CRAZY, obviously.
how could you think the jews would be ok with you killing millions of their relatives?

i'll read the rest later. but i would say a psychopath makes ther living on deceiving people, including therapists.

again you are a ****ing moron

Unless McQueary was physically unable to tell proper authorities that HE SAW A CHILD BEING RAPED, there's no excuse. I don't care what you're precious studies say Chiefzilla. Anyone who wouldn't help a child being raped is a pussy that isn't worthy of living.

You apparently don't understand how severe a crime such as child rape is so it's no surprise that you keep defending him.

Sorry, I missed your post earlier--wasnt ignoring it...

Its an obvious fact that some people dont do the right thing for fear of being hurt, losing their jobs or whatever...and the operative phrase is "do the right thing". If it wasnt a fact, then McQuery would of done a whole lot more. Most people would. And its sad that people would hurt people, of fire people or intimidate people who would do the right thing. But they would. Thats a fact. A sad fact.

You brought up Bartman and how he had to change his identity practically because he changed the outcome of a baseball game. I agree that child abuse is so much more than a game, but at the same time, if Cubs fans are willing to maime someone who changed the outcome of a playoff game, what would Penn State fans do to someone who changed the entire Penn State Football program? Thankfully nothing except some death threats, but if Bartman had to fear for his life??? So I get your analogy....I just personally would be running for my life then, because I wouldnt stand by

What you are saying is a sad fact of society. Some people wont turn in a rapists for fear of whatever, and we has a society have to stop persecuting those who do choose to do the right thing. How many women are afraid of reporting rape and why? Why was McQuery afraid to do more? I agree that he should of done whatever it took to stop Sandusky (I know I would of), but what the **** is wrong with our society when someone would rather protect a football program and their job or fear their family would be hurt then squash a pedophile rapists??? And not just McQuery, but all the ****ers? They would rather protect a football program then children. Thats ****ing disgusting....

point being, I get what you are saying...But I fall into the category of someone who would of had Sanduskys balls in a vice 2 seconds after I witnessed him raping a child, and I wouldnt be afraid of losing my job, or my football program, or whatever. I'd do it and ten go into hiding with Bartman if I had to.

oh and see how that study is actually about obedience? where was mcqueary TOLD not to call the police?

And even if he was told that, there's still no excuse not to do it.

If he had called the police, he could have put away Sandusky AND all the people that tried to cover for him. There's literally no downside to doing it.

oh im totally with you here, hell im almost to the point that i think zilla should be go to prison just for defending the piece of shit.

I think the bottom line is McQuery is a complete pussy afraid of consequences that would directly affect him then the consequences of a childs psyche after being raped. Zilla is saying there is ample research to show that there is a section of society that are just as pussified and completely worried about themselves and their precious football program more than a childs welfare. It sucks, but its true.

All them Penn State ****ers have a special place reserved for them in hell is the total bottom line.

Read the pdf files then comment. You're not referencing the right study. The milligram study is one of the most often cited study in psychology literature. Because its shocking and thorough.

Now we are on to something. Its as much a statement about how people respond to authority figures. That only ups the ante on obedience. What is obedience? Its following orders from authority. Isn't typical protocol on a team that you go to the coach first? And after meeting with Paterno and the other 3 stooges, do you know that he wasn't threatened to keep his mouth shut?

The main point is that people will do crazy shit under duress if they worry about how it will affect an authority figure.

Your post above was very good. Thank you for taking the time to read it instead of lauching into attacks. The research I showed is the most popular. There are plenty ofstudies that more directly speak to direct authority figures. In this case, it was a random. In other cases, its someone you know very well or have beem obedient to for years.

Again, I think the bigger problem is how protective front offices, school administrations, and fans are about protecting a winning program than a pussy who fears retaliation from those people who would make your life a living nightmare for, god forbid, doing the right thing. It shouldn't have to be a nightmare. If administrators built the right culture. Mcqueary would have blown the whistle, Paterno would have fired sandusky on the spot, and countless victims would have been saved. Instead the administration went out of their way to protect sandusky which implies that if mcqueary blew the whistle,they would do everything in their power to destroy mcqueary and they'd have the political power to do it mightily. Agree that he is a pussy. But people here act like his life wouldn't radically change for the worse if he chose to tattle. It shouldn't be that way but it is. That's a different tale than a guy like paterno who had the power to take act without consequence but instead those to deliberately cover it up.

all the studies in the world dont make what mcqueary did right.

no justification not to call the actual police

edit: you are still a moron

Thats a good point too that no one is talking about, JoPa. That piece of shit could of Squashed Sandusky with no consequences. In fact, they would of called him a brave man. A hero. There wouldnt of been any death threats. But instead he chose to let him continue. JoPa chose to let Sandusky continue to rape little boys, and so did the other ****tards at Penn State. Its a shame that Paterno died before he actually had to pay for his part in this. Its a good thing tho that the others will have to face what they have done (or what they didnt do).

Just to be clear, this is your official position, yes?

Mike McQueary:

1) Is willing to testify that he saw Jerry Sandusky raping a boy.
2) Is willing to testify that he told Joe Paterno about the rape he saw.
D) Is willing to testify that he told Penn State administrators about the rape he saw.
5) Is willing to testify that the PSU administrators told him "We looked into it" and then did nothing, thus confirming to the world that Penn State actively covered up the actions of a child molester.

However, Mike McQueary is NOT willing to say or do anything that even remotely suggests the possibility that Penn State threatened him to keep his mouth shut. Because, see, if he told people that they threatened him, it might make Penn State look bad.

Do I have it right? And do you see how monumentally stupid that is?

Things not looking good from the viewpoint of Joe Paterno. From emails its looking like he was the central figure behind of cover up of the information back in 2001.


Joe Paterno's role in covering up Jerry Sandusky's child molestations grows as evidence is leaked

by Dan Wetzel

The Penn State administration had finally hatched a plan. It was too kind, backward and included possibly tampering with a criminal investigation. Still, it was enough of a plan that it could've stopped Jerry Sandusky, child molester, back in 2001.


Just a couple weeks earlier, a football graduate assistant, Mike McQueary, had witnessed Sandusky abusing a boy in a Penn State locker room shower. He told coach Joe Paterno. He told vice president Gary Schultz and athletic director Tim Curley. He could've been more specific. He was clearly specific enough, however, to get their attention.

Schultz plotted out a course of action, according to a bombshell report by CNN, citing an email exchange that's been uncovered in the school's independent investigation by former FBI chief Louis Freeh. The report could be released as early as next month.

According to CNN in an email dated Feb. 26, 2001, Schultz wrote to Curley about a three-part plan that included talking "with the subject asap regarding the future appropriate use of the University facility," … "contacting the chair of the charitable organization" and "contacting the Department of Welfare."


Former Penn State athletic director Tim Curley's alleged email could be damaging for Joe Paterno. (AP)It would have been better to skip directly to the third action and let the welfare authorities do the meeting and informing, but this should've been enough to end Sandusky's reign of terror.

Except that Curley sent an email to Schultz and school president Graham Spanier on Feb. 27, 2001, that changed everything.

"After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps. I am having trouble with going to everyone but the person involved. I would be more comfortable meeting with the person and tell them about the information we received and tell them we are aware of the first situation," Curley's email said, according to CNN.

It's unclear why Curley suggested that Sandusky (the "person involved") wouldn't be contacted when Schultz's email told Curley to "talk with the subject asap." But the bottom line is that child welfare services was never contacted. And Sandusky, convicted earlier this month on 45 counts of molestation, continued to stalk and abuse the area's disadvantaged boys for seven more years.

The email is devastating on multiple levels, perhaps most for Paterno, who had escaped some measure of scorn thus far by playing the, in-hindsight-I-should've-done-more angle. Paterno, who won more games than any other major college football coach, died at age 85 in January of lung cancer.


According to Curley's email, Paterno participated more than he ever admitted, including likely talking Curley – and thus the others – out of the plan to turn Sandusky over to authorities.

Take a second for that one to sink in.

It is now perfectly reasonable to postulate that Joe Paterno protected Jerry Sandusky, who had been a Penn State assistant coach from 1969 until retiring in 1999. Sandusky went right along with his business of showering with boys in the locker room, of bringing kids to the sidelines during games, of sitting in the press/luxury box area of home games. Sandusky used the program's allure like a lollipop to draw kids into his van.


Paterno will never have the chance to defend against this charge or answer these troubling questions.

However, what would be his defense?

The first could be that he and Curley never met on or about Feb. 27, 2001, or if they did meet, Sandusky wasn't mentioned.

In a 2011 appearance to the grand jury, Paterno said McQueary detailed what he saw in the shower. Within a couple days Paterno relayed the story to Curley over the phone. He said he wasn't involved in the investigation after that.

"Because I figured that Tim would handle it appropriately," Paterno testified on Jan. 12, 2011. "I have a tremendous amount of confidence in Mr. Curley and I thought he would look into it and handle it appropriately."

Curley's email tells a different story, that he discussed with Paterno the plan to bring in child protective services.

Perhaps Curley lied in that original email, although why is anyone's guess. Perhaps Paterno forgot about the meeting (a decade had passed by the time the then 84-year-old testified in front of the grand jury). Or perhaps Paterno was trying to cover his tracks by not mentioning it under oath.

The other possibility is that the meeting did take place and Paterno supported turning Sandusky over to child welfare but Curley, after "giving it more thought," overruled Paterno's position and changed direction.

That one is difficult to believe. Tim Curley was Joe Paterno's boss in title only. Curley grew up in State College in a house just down the street from the current Beaver Stadium. He parked cars and sold programs as a kid. He played football at Penn State and was said to be JoePa's handpicked choice as athletic director years later.


This latest report could really damage former Penn State coach Joe Paterno's legacy. (AP)Tim Curley, like so many in State College, stood in awe of Paterno. Forget the organizational chart, he worked for the coach more than the coach worked for him.

The notion that he would ignore Paterno's advice, and then upon doing so never have Paterno question him or later overrule him, is highly unlikely.

There are more details to be sifted through. One is Curley cryptically mentioning he would "tell [Sandusky] we are aware of the first situation."

This seemingly refers to Sandusky being investigated by Penn State police in 1998 for abusing a boy, later known as Victim No. 6, in the showers. The Centre County district attorney at the time chose not to prosecute Sandusky.

While most believe there could be no way that Curley, Schultz and Spanier, let alone Paterno, didn't know about the 1998 investigation when choosing not to act in 2001, this is a smoking gun. It establishes that at least the three administrators did know. And wouldn't Curley have brought it up when discussing Sandusky with Paterno?

It's the most galling and evil part of the CNN revelations. These officials were learning of a second allegation that Sandusky had abused a boy in the showers and yet their reaction wasn't to turn the case over to authorities. Instead they allowed Sandusky to continue to operate on campus, only with the caveat he wasn't supposed to bring children around, an order he routinely violated.

After 1998, you could argue there wasn't much they could do. There was an investigation but no charge. People who work with children are always in fear of such a thing. If the district attorney said there was nothing to it, then you accept there was nothing to it.

Until a similar accusation is made, this time not from a possibly confused kid, but from McQueary, your own 27-year-old, no-reason-to-invent-such-a-story graduate assistant.


In 2001 there was zero excuse to not stop Sandusky. Zero. Penn State's decision was pathetic.

It's a chief reason why Curley and Schultz are facing prison time for failure to report a crime. It's also why Spanier remains a candidate for similar indictment from the attorney general.

Did Spanier realize the stakes of his decision? You bet he did. His email back to Curley concerning not going to child welfare says as much.

"I am supportive," Spanier wrote, according to CNN. "The only downside for us [is] if the message isn't heard and acted upon, and then we become vulnerable for not having reported it."

Graham Spanier is a bad person. That wasn't the "only downside" or even the primary downside of Sandusky not hearing "the message."

The fact that additional children would be abused was the downside. Spanier, ever the self-obsessed top administrator, cared only about his own liability, not some terrified 10-year-old in an empty shower room. At no point, apparently, did anyone write an email about finding the boy McQueary said was being molested.


What remains is the question of why otherwise reasonable people would make such an ethically bankrupt and criminal decision. These are highly educated, high-functioning men. The answer may never be determined. It may help to go back to that moment.

In hindsight, the smart move would have been to have Sandusky arrested. Viewed from today, Curley, Paterno, et. al. would have been lauded for making the correct decision.

At the time, however, the story would've been about a recently retired defensive coordinator molesting kids in JoePa's locker room.

Paterno was 74 and coming off a 5-7 season. He didn't have much of a team for the foreseeable future, either. Rumblings were growing that it was time for him to retire, that the game had passed him by, that at his age he couldn't handle the responsibilities of a major college football program.

An act of child molestation in the locker room would have only fueled that. When word would have eventually leaked out that in 1998 Sandusky had been investigated for the same charge yet still maintained all-hour access to the facilities, it may have too much for Paterno to survive, let alone explain.

In the precise moment, each of the men must have feared being fired. Even Joe Paterno.

Perhaps that wasn't the case. We may never know and it certainly isn't an excuse for allowing Sandusky to continue. It may explain it, however. Self-preservation is a powerful motivator.

If Sandusky had sought the help they suggested, had he stopped his behavior, had the school not commissioned Louis Freeh to dig through every scrap of information in the football program, a witch hunt that found its witches, they may have gotten away with it.

They didn't, though. Instead, the whole thing gets worse for Penn State. The full report looms. The noose tightens on Curley, Schultz and Spanier.

And Joe Paterno, the beloved saint of the Nittany Lions, is left looking nothing like the man everyone believed he was.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--...rup-grows.html

Paterno will end up being seen in a very dark way after this is all said and done.


If it is true, he deserves everything his legacy gets.

Too bad for Sandusky he wasn't a priest, or he'd be a living legend and enshrined in the catholic hall of fame and would live like a king the rest of his life.

Can't wait for the Posnanski take.

Where's Paterno buried anyway? I feel like taking a piss.

Just wait until Sandusky dies and piss on his instead. Just watch out for the steam since he will end up in hell.

**** everyone involved in this shit
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Wonder if the statue will have to come down...

Oh they'd better take that statue down...

I wonder what those idiot asshole PSU fans that defended Paterno and said that this killed him have to say now?

I've maintained from the beginning that I believed he was way deep involved in the cover up...no more free passes.

Everyone involved in this that's alive need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent possible.

When will the NCAA weigh in and will they sanction all sports programs at Penn State?

I cannot see how the NCAA will be able to remain silent. We can all feel bad for the fellows on the team who will be forever tarnished by this episode even though they are blameless. But isn't that almost always the case when a college athletic program is severely sanctioned because of recruiting infractions, etc?

The punishment will be severe and lasting. This unspeakable behavior on the part of Jerry Sandusky and those who failed to turn him in to law enforcement must receive sufficiently serious consequences as to dissuade other colleges from allowing such to happen.

While I agree PSU should get some kind of punishment, what NCAA rules did they violate?

Well, if Penn State was a Catholic school, they just would have transferred Sandusky to Notre Dame or St. John's.

I'm not sure Dave, I'm not a lawyer.

Honestly, I don't know anything about NCAA rules.

I don't think the university will. Those involved have already been fired though, right?

I'm just saying this has nothing to do with their recruiting practices.

Nothing the NCAA can do.

Its a criminal investigation.

I do hope the victims sue the University.

As far as I know.

[QUOTE=Dave;8711993]I'm just saying this has nothing to do with their recruiting practices.

I do hope the victims sue the University.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Thanks.

While Sandusky's case is done, others remain. From what I am being told, Penn State is going to work very hard at resolving all of these civil suits as quickly as possible and I think that would be a very smart idea.

I don't think the timing will be coincidental because I think what they are trying to do this prior to the criminal charges against who knows maybe even the former President Graham Spanier. And I think that that's an issue. And I think because of the fact these gentlemen knew about it and lied about it and now its surfacing recently that there was an email to former President Graham Spanier that indicated that they did not want to precede with charges way back in 2002 because it would not have been humane to Jerry Sandusky. Unfortunately tell that to the victims who were abused after that. -

I heard that there is an insurance claim that would pay out some of these claims - And there's actually a fund being set up by the college themselves. There's significant amount of money.

What's interesting though, is civilly whether or not some of these men can get around the statute of limitations that exist - which is interesting because the governor who has ties to Penn State could help them by changing the law. But I think regardless you are going to see settlements across the board.



AP released this story a couple of hours ago. I'm going to take a look at it now.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...d01f5ab54b8500

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PSU deserves the death penalty. Dead serious.

I took a innocent until proven guilty stance. That email makes it pretty clear that Paterno had a say in the cover up and his legacy deserves what it gets.

I recently watched a few of the Successful Coaching DVD's and there was one that was supposed to be Paterno on coaching Linebackers. The video was released in 2007 and it was Sandusky with a group of kids going through drills. Just sick and disturbing.

Loss of institutional control.

Insurance might be responsible for any abuse prior to 1998 or 2001. I'd argue the actions of PSU administrators voided the insurer's liability for subsequent claims, however.

I'd be surprised if their recruiting hasn't taken a massive hit.

I don't know if that would happen. I mean the sheer historic name I think brings the recruits in. No one goes to Penn State because they're good or anything, it's just the name. Like Notre Dame.

I don't mean from the NCAA. I mean what athlete is going to accept an offer from Penn State if they have offers from Ohio St., Michigan, Alabama, etc.?

They aren't getting any blue chippers.

Granted. All else said. Sandusky probably won't sleep for weeks with the inmates yelling things at him on the other side of the walls.

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Leaked Penn State Emails Suggest Joe Paterno Protected Jerry Sandusky
Sean Newell

For those still genuflecting at the altar of Paterno, this is bad. According to CNN, Penn State officials were discussing a plan of action to handle the Sandusky mess in 2001 that involved contacting child welfare services. One official spoke with Joe Paterno and the next day, that was no longer the plan.
Earlier this month, as the Sandusky trial was just getting underway, we learned that emails existed between Penn State officials that indicated their blind-eye approach to this whole mess was the "humane" way of handling it. CNN is now reporting that while they do not have possession of the actual emails, they have been been informed of the contents of a string of messages between former Penn State President President Graham Spanier, Vice President Gary Schultz and athletic director Tim Curley. It is, as you might expect, not good.

Aside from silly precautions never to refer to Sandusky by name—he was "the subject" or "the person" and his victims were "guests," the emails further show the "cover your ass" mentality permeating State College. The exchange begins, according to CNN, 16 days after Mike McQueary reported the shower incident in 2001. The biggest question the officials seek to answer in these reported email exchanges is how do we make this easy for everyone? That is excepting the victims, of course.

In an alleged e-mail dated February 26, 2001, Schultz writes to Curley that he assumes Curley's "got the ball" about a three-part plan to "talk with the subject asap regarding the future appropriate use of the University facility," ... "contacting the chair of the charitable organization" and "contacting the Department of Welfare," according to a source with knowledge of the case.

Maybe they should get an "E" for effort, they at least had considered reporting the allegations to the proper authorities, though it came in third behind reaching out to Second Mile and talking to Sandusky about how he could continue to use the athletic facilities, with the important caveat that it be for "appropriate use."

Curley, Schultz, Spanier and Paterno had always maintained they acted appropriately, alerted the proper officials and did what they were supposed to do. One day after the three-pronged approach to Sandusky was discussed, Tim Curley emailed the group indicating a desire to change course. It was a decision he made after speaking with Joe Paterno.

Curley indicates he no longer wants to contact child welfare authorities just yet. He refers to a conversation the day before with Paterno. It's not known what Paterno may have said to Curley.

Curley writes: "After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps."

The athletic director apparently preferred to keep the situation an internal affair and talk things over with Sandusky instead of notifying the state's child welfare agency to investigate Sandusky's suspicious activity.

"I am having trouble with going to everyone, but the person involved," Curley allegedly continues.

It's true, it is not known what Joe Paterno might have said to Curley. But, we can probably hazard a guess, can't we? These emails should put to rest any lingering questions people may have about Joe Paterno's role at Penn State. High ranking officials were in the middle of investigating a serious and disgusting set of allegations against a former employee, and devising a plan of action therefor. In walks Joe Paterno, who says something (granted, we don't know what) and that plan morphs from alerting child welfare officials to handling the matter in-house. Joe Paterno says "jump," university officials say "how high?"

That doesn't excuse anything; it does not appear that the president or vice president of the school needed much convincing to not alert authorities of the disgusting acts going on under their noses. Paterno likely said exactly what they wanted to hear as they looked from shoulder to shoulder for guidance. Curley also appears to have had no problem changing course and keeping it an internal investigation. It appears, through the emails, that he was aware of another shower incident in 1998—an incident he apparently lied to prosecutors about during his grand jury testimony.

This new approach became what was previously referred to as the "humane" way of dealing with Sandusky—officials would "play by ear" whether or not they would report the allegations to child welfare services.

Penn State continues to investigate this mess. An attorney for one of the victims has said he wants to wait for the investigation to conclude before filing his client's lawsuit.

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Good Lord. I can't believe this kind of crap.

Yeah, the Paterno statue HAS to come down. This is just disgusting.