I think they both suck.

that's probably a much fairer comparison. I wouldn't trust Romo, in a must win, and I wouldn't trust Alex Smith if he had to carry the team.

Kudos.

Found a gif of Alex getting pumped-up for practice:

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Holy Shit! It's Lil' Chiefy!...

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Meth is legal in South Dakota now?

It's not completely out of the question for Alex Smith to get into the top ten, but it's highly unlikely.

I agree with Milk when he mentioned the confidence factor hurting Smith. If Alex can continue to pick teams apart on the short and intermediate routes while developing some confidence to "take what the defense gives you" in regards to passes that travel in the air 30 yards or more (once you have forced them to compensate to take away the short stuff) the guy can start to show the potential he showed when he came out as the top pick.

I would also like to see him in the Pistol because that should take advantage of his mobility and decision making ability.

Bowe is almost always open or commanding a double team
Jamaal is gonna rape faces all year if be stays healthy.
Moeaki and Fasano have shown to be able to get open and block well
McCluster has been able to get open (though he lacks playmaking ability after the catch)
This Kelce kid is huge and seems to have playmaking potential. Hopefully the guy hires a DD, though.

That's a pretty good group of guys to be getting the ball to.

The Saints will go back to the Aints again.

I don't think that will happen.

But the fanbase there is extremely spoiled with Drew Brees, Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis.

May have to give up football when those three hang it up.

Why not? They win 10 with Cassel, a buffoon head coach, and less talent. They won 7without Charles and berry with falco. guys are really not factoring in just how bad 40 turnovers sunk this team

Where exactly are you getting 40 turnovers from?

Jaws had Cassel at 22 last year. So according to Jaws, we gave up a 2nd and a 3rd that could become a 2nd to move up 2 spots.

Jeez, you are as big a dumb**** as Knowmo. 37 turnovers for a + - of -24. 10 worse in the ratio department than any AFC team.

New England and Baltimore only turned it over 16 times. Houston only 17.

The 5 teams with the fewest turnovers in the NFC all made the postseason as did the best 4 in the AFC.

The 7 best teams in + - in the NFC all had winning records, so did the Top 4 in the AFC.

Yeah guys taking care of the ball still matters quite a bit.

So Cassel and Quinn are supposed to be responsible for turnovers they didn't commit? Smith had 9 turnovers in 8 games last season. Add his 18 for a full season to the 10 fumbles by the Chiefs non-QBs last season.

28 turnovers would have been 24th in the NFL last season. Sounds like 11 wins to me!

Doesn't work that way dumbass. The focus of this offseason will be ball security. You can bank that on your invisiballs.

In 2010 the Chiefs only had 14 turnovers as a team, so all the extra turnovers may be a fraud anyway.

No, the focus of this offseason so far has been getting Alex to be aggressive with the ball. That's basically the opposite.

Oh, for ****'s sake. You can be aggressive with the ball, while still being smart and picking teams apart with the short passing game. See Brady, Tom and Brees, Drew.

Could be that these ranking are meaningless.

LMAO

Yeah, Alex wasn't utilizing the short game enough. That was the problem.

By the way, Brady threw 84 passes of 20+ yards. Brees, 80.

Smith threw 19.

This is what Alex Smith can't do.


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Dude, no one wants to watch the goddamned Saints on this board. No one.

They really are. They are for lil kids, basically.

There are 5-6 excellent QBs (that still have flaws, but get overhyped) stick around into the mid-high 90's +)

There are over a dozen good QBs (that hover in the mid-low 90's/upper 80's, yet have their occasionally abysmal games)

And then, there are the rest of either unproven, lucky to get into the 80's, flawed but occasionally decent, barely clinging to a job, backups at best and lucky to be a #2.

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52 yard deep bomb to Crabtree from Alex. Ooops... you iz stoopit! nlm

I liked the Saints better when they were irrelevant for all those decades.

Way to miss the point. There is a difference between reckless and aggressive with the ball. Yeah, he's going to throw the ball downfield more, doesn't mean that it will lead to more turnovers. Damn, you are a horrible poster.

Absolutely. And you are the Saints of Chiefs Planet.

umm ... usually that's exactly what it means.

Come on.

+ 1 , DEFINITELY the lousiest shitbag on this site, thus far.

Ouch, lol

No words for how pathetic that is.

Throwing the ball downfield more pretty much inevitably leads to more turnovers, unless you're throwing the ball right on the boundary (and making it an even lower percentage pass). Hard to argue with that.

Especially when all the talk is about getting Smith to be more aggressive and throw into tighter windows. He's avoided turnovers the past two years because he: 1) Takes a lot of sacks; 2) Scrambles for short gains a lot; 3) Checks down a lot; 4) Only throws to receivers who have clear separation (especially downfield - talk to Niners fans that don't love him so much they follow him to other boards about that).

If he starts throwing more passes downfield to receivers who aren't COMPLETELY (as in 2+ strides) wide open, two things will happen: 1) More big plays (assuming he has the arm strength and accuracy necessary); 2) More turnovers.

Not exactly. Look at Cassel. They didn't stretch the field, so it led to more turnovers in the intermediate passing game, because all the defenders were right in the area to scoop them up. Proper field spacing and making them respect the deep ball will open up the short, intermediate routes and fewer turnovers in minus territory. The ones downfield don't hurt as much.

Turnovers should go up, but so will the flashy production that the fantasy footballers seem to cherish. Just so long as the ratio stays positive as smart, situational football dictates. No one seems to much mind when Brees throws multiple INTs, because his good production generally outweighs the bad.

None of what you are saying here is horribly inaccurate. People that are trying to be open minded need to appreciate that Alex became this way (lacking trust) as a necessity of survival. First, look at the cautious-minded coaches instructing him. Then, look back (if you are able) at the receivers running the routes and making the catch efforts. You will be underwhelmed. I agree that a QB needs to trust his targets... but there is no doubt that SF's receivers have done very little to earn that trust. Not all the time.. but many times, and more so in the distant past.. which happens to be when Alex was mostly developing.

Aside from a very rare circus catch, our receivers have never been particularly good at catching the ball away from their bodies or in tight coverage. Many passes on target have been bobbled for INTs or dropped. VD and Crabtree were surprisingly bad, but improved this in recent times due to hard work. Aside from them, there was no one special to really trust. You have to keep in mind when comparing to other good teams.. the 49ers were so often (all) learning a new scheme being implemented on the fly. If receivers are unsure of their routes? That can make a QB pretty damn bad/unsure of where the ball can end up.. so he may have to wait an extra split-second to see if his guys are doing what the play requires.

I can only pray that Bowe and a few others earn that trust quickly.. and that Reid can quickly ease Alex into giving them that trust and then see if it is sustainable.

Throwing downfield doesn't mean more INT's though. Poor spacing, decision making, and reckless play dictates that a lot more. Look at Rodgers, he throws down field a lot, but takes sacks when needed, and makes good decisions of when to take the shot.

Reid won't be asking him to go full Favre. He'll want him to take the 2-3 extra shots a game to a single covered Bowe or Avery on a Go or Deep Post. I really don't see what's so hard to understand about it.

Maybe you should stop using guys like Brady, Brees and Rodgers to describe Smith's play this coming season. It's only going to lead to heartbreak.

You really are dense as ****

If we had Aaron Rogers, we wouldn't constantly be having this discussion

It's pretty hilarious, though.

Homers are going HAM on Alex Smith improving his deep game.

Um, no.

Get ready for checkdowns. Lots of checkdowns.

Homer Rally Cry

I'm not a homer and you know it. I'm just arguing that poor decision making leads to more turnover than throwing down field a couple of more times a game. It's all about opportunity. How many picks have we seen thrown on short routes because EVERY reciever was within the same areas?

I'm ok with checkdowns if they work. Wasn't the biggest play of the Ravens regular season a checkdown? 4th and 29. Without that conversion wouldn't they have missed the playoffs? Could be wrong. :shrug:

Nope. That honor belongs to you and the Alexsexuals.

And you...are the colostomy bag of Chiefs Planet.

Not really. Fat Elvis is about as relevant and intelligent as a 12" Stonehenge.

This.

OK 'Lil Chiefy.

never said Moeaki was a great TE you stupid idiot. He's basically the same or better than the one you're pimping.

Broncos TE's are not better.

And no Dreessen does not have better hands than Moeaki. Moeaki's hands have always been good. He even made a one handed amazing catch.

I don't see where I'm saying Moeaki is a great TE like you're saying. He's just as good as Dreessen.

His hands are good, but the rest of him needs augmentation and/or implants:

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Most sensible post on this whole thread.

RJ and hef make knowmo look like a genius. They are not worth your time.

Bullshit. He took what I said completely out of context.

What ya talking about Willis?

There are only 4 elite quarterbacks in the league and Alex Smith ain't one of them.

It's Brady, Brees, Rodgers and P Manning.

Then everyone else.

Why don't you tell us what you expect out of Alex by using examples of a similar skill level? Examples could include Freeman, Palmer, Ponder, etc.

Smith is definitely in the group of Schaub, etc.

He's today's Trent Dilfer.

First sentence is accurate. Second sentence is headed back to stoopit. :doh!:

ROFL

He's in the group with Schaub regarding being injury prone. Otherwise, not even close.

In the 3 seasons Schaub has played all 16 games, he's thrown for at LEAST 4,008 yards and as much as 4,770.

In the 2 seasons Smith has played all 16 games his highest yardage total was 3,144.

One guy can stretch the field, and one guy can't.

Fantasy Footballers unite!!!! http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/u...___by_auge.gif

Dude I see Schaub every home game because I shoot it.

Schaub ****ing sucks the fans here hate him.

He's a checkdown master and Kubiak gives him NO leeway to call audibles, etc.

He throws jump balls and check downs.

When was the last time you saw a highlight with Schaub throwing bombs.

Never.

Okay.

Alex Smith is in the group that has guys like Kyle Orton in it.

Nothing else.

Oh, Kyle Orton actually has 3 winning seasons to his credit instead of 1...and has 11 career 300-yard games instead of 3...

Carry on!

Do you not watch the NFL or something?

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What does it mean if I miss Kyle? Do you think Dallas would accept our 2nd next year for him?

Yeah, you rack up 4,700 yards throwing check downs.

Holy Christ.

The first gif just seems deep due to the last 5 years.I understand though.

Duh, that's why Alrx and Cassel have 4700+ yard seasons.

It's a pass over 20 yards - something Alex does a fraction over once per game.

I wish Kyle Orton was still here, and was our stopgap until a "media and fanbase acceptable" first-round QB came available to us in the first round.

That's the kind of throw Alex Smith NEVER makes.

There are so many gifs I want to post but cant right now. :(

Andre Johnson along with the play action off that awesome running game is more responsible for the Houston Texans deep passing game than Schaub.

Call me when Alex Smith throws for 4000 yards, let alone 4700, dumbass.

Matt Schaub > Alex Smith. And it's not close.

Our running game is just as good and Bowe is no slouch.

I don't want to hear excuses.

Why the **** would I compare him to guys that make poor desicions?

Russell Wilson
RG3
Flacco
Kaepernick (he was not on pace to throw for 4k)

Guess these QB's suck ass too because they didn't throw 4k last year.

Using rookie QBs in your argument is weak.

And when Alex Smith wins a SB, I'll cut him some slack.

If Alex Smith puts up the #'s that RG3 and Russell Wilson does next year, you will have no choice but to cut him some slack.

Incorrect. He has to do more than a couple of ****ing rookies.

People are making excuses for him not performing when he has Bowe and Charles even though we haven't played a snap yet?

It's his eighth ****ing season. Comparing him to young guys still cutting their teeth is chickenshit.

People spent the last four years comparing Cassel to rookie QBs to make him look good, too.