who said "every QB that is drafted is peyton manning?"

Peyton Manning as a rookie might as well be a different era. Stupid.

No, but I think it's easier to get a guy to dial it back than it is to get a guy to cut it loose.

Excuse me, every times rookie struggles, we hear "so did manning".

Of course he's a rookie and he will struggle. That's the reason he needs/needed to sit and learn and work on his mechanics

so what era was alex smith's rookie season?

He was terrible regardless of era. He's now below average-average. Yay for us. Hopefully Geno can make similar strides.

Disagree completely.

Biggest issue for Geno right now is the game is a little too fast.

His head is spinning.

He needs to play to get used to it.

all rookie QBs struggle

it's an obvious point, but one that apparently has to be pointed out to Chiefs fans...

if struggling as a rookie was proof of failure, then why the hell is alex smith our QB and why the hell are people excited about him?

he had one of the most embarrassing rookie seasons short of ryan leaf

His lower body is still bad, he doesn't step into throws like he should, which is why Balls tend to flutter and hes missing. hiss accuracy was shit last night. He's slow with reads, late on everything right now.

But I wouldn't expect you to think/see any of that, as you thought he was decent/good last night.

I'll never understand why some people are so afraid of drafting a QB in the first round if there's "no Andrew Luck in this draft" or he's not guaranteed to be the next Peyton Manning.

It's only been 4 decades of retreads, I think that's enough time to evaluate that strategy. At least the Jets are trying a proven strategy.

Blame Newton, Sanchez, and Bradford. Solid first years and then no indication of ever reaching elite status. Even a solid rookie campaign is no guarantee for success. I don't fault guys for doubting Geno.

what did you expect from a rookie QB in his 2nd game ever?

Strange I thought Geno was second rounder.

no, Chiefs fans hate and fear rookie QBs


we know that without argument

Are we talking a rookie that some think we should have drafted at 1.1 or are you talking about a guy taken high in the 2nd and is a project?

Just Homers defending their team. If we ever ****ing drafted one, most would be sticking up for that QB

About what he did.

Which is why I wasn't all up in arms when we didn't take him at 1.1.

He's a nice prospect and I really wish we could have had him sit behind Alex for a year or two, but I'll make due with bray

That is so ****ing stupid.

How can you even prove that statement when Chief's fans haven't had one to hate and fear for 30 years?

i don't know what those non-sequitur have to with anything

every post on this board for years by True Fan losers like you

Exactly. It's just homers being homers. There would be genuine excitement if a QB was ever drafted in the 1st.

What I don't want to get saddled with is an Andy Dalton. Young enough to where he will be there ten years. Not bad enough to replace, not good enough to win anything.

I actually had (or 2nd), but it got lost in editing... my point was they've been trying forever with Geno, Sanchez, Pennington, etc... and it's not like they're any worse off. Yet, like the OP and other agenda-pushers, some are so desperate to trash Geno just to go against anyone who thought the Chiefs should have drafted him. Oh, the horror...

so, since this game is proof Geno sucks...oh wait, that was the 3rd preseason game: bust


how is it our Franchise Win Now QB is now Alex Smith, whose rookie season makes Ryan Leaf look like John Elway?

That goes both ways though.

I really liked geno in the draft, but all the shit said here (true or false) has made me really enjoy slinging some shit at a certain few. It shows too how people will give one guy the benefit of the doubt, crucify one guy etc.

For instance, last night, geno had 96 yards passing ad 1 fg drive at the half, and some were anointing him better than x or y.

If Alex smith did that, the server would die if aids

I've always had the feeling that a lot of Chiefs fans couldn't handle a rookie QB... there's always seemed to be this comfort associated with retread QBs, and some people go to great lengths to point out every little flaw of young QBs. Granted, the the meltdowns on this board aren't really indicative of the entire fanbase, but I'm certain there would be several "this guy isn't working out" threads after every loss.

Hell, I think it was the 2nd or 3rd week of presason and someone posted something like "I think we've seen all we need to from Geno to know he's a bust." LMAO

Poor Geno has the same clueless blank stare that those on here, who are fans of his, have. Geno looks like he has the IQ of a door knob. Only figures he'd have a lot of followers here.

Good job of staying away from this fail, Dorsey.

I bag on Geno and his "followers" on here. It is not because I don't want, or am afraid of 1st round QBs. I didn't and still don't believe that Geno was worth a first round draft pick. I have wanted several other QBs before they were drafted. But I am selective. I do not seem to find a QB in every draft that I like or think will be good.
I think the reason for a lot of the QB draft hate stuff that has been going on here is because some posters have lost that perspective. They think there is a great QB in every draft, every year. And year in and year out that any other poster doesn't agree they get unfairly labeled or treated poorly . Until those posters lose their desperation and come back to the reality of QBs and the NFL there will always be this issue on cheifsplanet. Better get use to it.

True, you can't really have one without the other, and it's why the conversations are often so mind numbing... it's all black or white, mostly agenda driven, and like politics or religion, arguing just further entrenches people in their opinion.

In the end though, it doesn't really matter if Geno becomes a star or not, and it doesn't make anyone right or wrong. It's not rocket science... had Aaron Rodgers failed, the Packers would have kept trying, and it doesn't mean they shouldn't have tried in the first place. If Geno fails, the Jets will try again, as they should. Sure, any organization wants to do their homework, find someone who fits the system, etc; but waiting for the next (supposedly) guaranteed star isn't the answer.

I've heard people say he's not smart enough to be an NFL QB, but he scored 26 on the Wonderlic. :shrug:

because Alex Smith is a 8 year veteran, who was acquired for the explicit purpose of winning now, and Geno Smith is a rookie playing his second game

does that really require pointing out?

I was more anti-Alex than anything. Geno looks like a QB starting his first 2 games in the league. It's way too early to be comparing him to Alex Smith.

Apparently, that was really a WOW moment for me as well.

What happened to "excuses" ??? That guys like Luck and Wilson are stepping right in and kicking ass? Oh, I see... that only works when people try to defend Alex for being a 20 yr old Urban Meyer QB going straight into a first year WCO in SF with undeniably terrible talent around him. :doh!:

Hypocrisy FTW!

KC fans:

All we need out of the first pick in the draft is an average right tackle that after a few years becomes pretty good but quarterbacks are busts after 2 games

jesus, you 49er fans are so embarrassingly stupid...

nope

he was a bust after 1 preseason game

Alex Smith was not a bust after years of sucking shit...

that's how it works for the True Fan

Yeah, good thing geno didn't go to Oakland, right?

haha, that's right. When caught in a corner, lash out at the poster... not the point. :)

I don't think the majority here think the guy is a bust after 2 games. That's asinine. I think most of it is backlash from the great geno battles and its kind of just pure fun to sling some shit towards one side or the other.

Same as we heard from clay and the other dude after last weeks game, this is the other side of the coin.

I think it's pretty obvious that luck, Wilson, rgIII are the exceptions, not the rule.

There's going to be a learning curve with any player

Nobody ever thought that Geno was Luck or Kaepernick. I don't know anyone who didn't easily recognize that he was going to need some work and time to develop in this league.

Oh, I don't disagree with you.. nor do I prematurely condemn Geno as a bust.

As O.City stated here recently, this is just some fun backlash coming at those who deserve it and then some. No one really felt Alex should have been 1.1 either... no way did anyone (except idiot coaches in SF) think he should be playing in year 1. Still went 1.1 due to a weak draft, and that's still where some KC fans would take Geno in hindsight to this day.

Bottom line is, people make excuses for QBs they like... and then turn right around and mock others for doing it for other QBs. So deep down, I think they know that often enough.. "excuses" are actually legitimate reasons for QB struggles. In other words, the same people excusing Geno would turn right back around and mock Alex for sucking as a rookie on an even worse team. Go figure.

That's cool, we should have definitely put the investment in drafting a second round caliber quarterback at 1.1 and then commit a minimum of 4-5 years to allow him to cut his teeth and mature on a team with significant talent at several other positions and a limited window. Clearly signing a quarterback like Alex who has already gone through his rounds of stupidity and mismanagement and has came out on the other side relatively polished is going to be the end of the franchise. Reid has always had a problem keeping quarterback talent around the starter in past seasons.

If we would have had 1.1 the year before we would be sitting with Luck or possibly RGIII and nobody would be opposed to it, but many many people thought Geno wasn't near that class of player. If there is anything that I can sympathize with it's not taking a QB in the best QB draft in years (the year before). That true fan shit in reference to geno is nothing but bitching and moaning about any young quarterback that looks good and excuses for any that appear to never pan out. It's just an excuse to whine be overly negative all the time. Jesus Christ you guys are nothing but weeping gashes, I swear to God.

If you watched the game, you know that if Genos receivers catch HALF of the drops, NY wins that game and it's not even close.

I expected Bill Billichek to have Geno rattled early and until the end, Geno handled the situation extremely well.

Love the double standards, though.

There is no way to spin 15/35, 200 yards, 0 TD, 3 INT, and throwing the pick that lost the game. No way to spin it.

That's ok. He is a rookie. He may become (snark) a super bowl winning QB whom we should have picked at #1 overall instead of the middle of the second round.

But he sure as hell has not arrived, and he is not anywhere near Alex Smith yet, as the Gena fluffers would have you believe.

Peyton Manning threw 3 picks in the opening 5 minutes of a game last year and Brees threw 5 in a game last year and both had much more talent the Geno. I'll probably give him a few more games before saying he isn't as good as Alice is right now. He obviously can make some throws we will never see Alice make, but he is also making some poor decisions Alice probably won't make at this point in his career either.

Only two or three guys on this board thought Kaepernick was going to be Kaepernick.

I remember talking him up as a potential draft pick on the Draft Planet and people gave me shit. "Mountain West guy." "Spread monkey." "Gimmick player."

My, how times have changed...

Manning and Brees are known quantites in the NFL.

Smith hasnt shown anything, in the preseason or regular season.

He may turn out to be great, but thus far there is no reason to suspect it.

Right, so a wait and see approach is probably best for an unknown quanitity that has flashed both brillance and Casselness.

I don't know why this keeps coming up. Nobody expected him to be anywhere near where Alex is at this moment.

"Brilliance" two years ago against the Big East doesn't seem to be worth much today, does it?

I was with you. I believed wholeheartedly in Kaepernick because of how quick his release was. After watching Cassel for three years, I knew that getting the ball out with velocity and immediacy was paramount.

Geno has little chance of winning a SB because he is not a 1st round QB.

I have continually heard from Clay and many others that your best chance is to have a 1st round QB. This has been stated over and over and over again.

Pretty ironic.

At least our QB is a first rounder and former #1 overall. :D

What a **** load of bullshit.

Geno Smith is not in any way, shape or form, Peyton Manning.

You think the guys banging the table to draft him 1.1 overall knew he was this much of a project?

What double standard?

The wrs did drop a few, but genos accuracy and timing were a factor in the drops.

I wouldnt argue any of this really.

Thing is to make statements that people like me for example don't want to or are "afraid" to draft a QB in round 1 is stupid.

I would have been ecstatic to get 3 or 4 of the guys form the last few drafts.

Because I disliked every QB in this weak ass draft class doesn't mean I don't want to draft and develop a guy.

The problem with this place is everything is an absolute to most posters. Black and white.Reality is always in between. Little reality here.

Not wanting a Geno or a Sanchez as my QB doesn't mean I don't want a Luck, RGII, Tannehill, Ryan or a myriad of other QB's.

And for the record I don't think the Jets are further ahead than they were pre Sanchez at this point because of WHO they drafted.

Hahaha

If you truly watched the game and believe the bolded part of your post, you don't know what you are watching.

Sorry

This is true.


But, like djln said in the game thread, if you watched the game and thought he was good, you didn't know what you were watching.

What is this much? That was a miserable game to QB in and only he second game and it was against the Pats. You act like he is in his 3rd season.

I know a bunch of the posters who wanted him at 1.1.....wanted him to sit his 1st year.

I'd gladly take A. Smith over our last starting 7 QB's.

Brady Quinn
Matt Cassel
Kyle Orton
Tyler Palko
Brodie Croyle
Damon Huard
Tyler Thigpen

Ironically enough, there are several people that think that Luck is overrated. They think that because of his interceptions last year that hes a bust.

Some people just don't understand football. They don't understand that of all the situations besides Brandon Weeden he was placed in the most difficult with the least amount to work with.

New coaching staff completely, changing defensive schemes, porous oline, weak running backs, two rookie tight ends, and then on top of all that, immediately into the season your new head coach pops cancer leaving your OFFENSIVE coordinator to run the whole team taking away from Lucks development.

It AMAZES me how quickly people want to judge these young qbs without factoring in all FACTORS.

Would of been awesome for him to sit and learn behind Alex.

I still maintain that Bray doing the same thing, that the talent level and upside between Geno and Bray is close enough that its neither here nor there.

Contrast Smith's play to that of E.J. Manuel and tell me which QB appeared to be ready to lead an NFL team and which isn't ready to lead an NFL team.

I completely agree, and it's mind numbing to read... like I said, people will trip over their children and kick their dog on the way to their computer if they are anti-Geno and he throws one pick or are pro-Geno and he makes one good throw.

As far as people being afraid to draft a QB, it's obviously not everyone, and people will always have differing opinions on different guys in the draft... there's just so much impatience with some people, and like you said, a lot of it is in black and white. I think of a normal meltdown after a loss and cringe at the though of adding a rookie QB into the mix... again, it's not indicative of the fanbase in general (or at least I hope not), but say they had Geno and Alex Smith (or another vet who is good enough to get by but might be a backup on another team) right now and Geno won the job... it would test the patience of this place more than anything else in the past decade, and it's not even close.

Alex has a good head and is a check down QB. Occasionally he looks great going down field but that is the exception rather than the rule. Alex is a very known commodity. It really comes down to what you wanted when the decision was made. You were going with that or you were rolling the dice with Geno in hopes that as he developed you would have much more upside. Truth is we are not any closer to knowing if that upside exists now as we were back then.

Which, of course, is virtually impossible.

No NFL team is drafting a guy at 1.1 with the intention of sitting him for an entire season.

I expected him to go into foxborough and look like a rookie quarterback that's in over his head. I also said that he should have sat his first year...

I saw a rookie go into that place and do what should have been enough to win.

I saw a kid play very well for 2/3 of the game for a rookie in his second start in one of the toughest places to play in the NFL...the other 1/3, he looked like a rookie that's in over his head.

FFS SOME OF YOU DON'T HAVE AND PATIENCE.

The biggest difference is that Ej Manuel is Doug Marrones hand picked qb.

Rex Ryan is a staunch Mark Sanchez supporter and never really wanted Geno Smith.

Also the offensive coaching is a lot better in Buffalo as well.

Knowing what I know right now if I could go back in time I still would have selected Geno over Alex especially with our front line. That being said I wish Alex the very best and hope we start looking for our own Kaepernick to replace him with.

Why should Chiefs fans have patience with the New York Jets starting QB?

Bray, TYLER BRAY.......

Bray is going to take 2-3 years if he even succeeds. I honestly think that you sit Geno for a year and he'll be good to go in year 2.

Because KC might actually draft a QB sometime and growing pains are to be expected with rookie quarterbacks.

Well, first off, the Chiefs offensive line is a work in progress. Allen doesn't appear comfortable at guard, Hudson appears better suited at guard, Asamoah is injured and Fisher is a work in progress. There were no inside running lanes for Charles last Sunday and the interior will need to play much better if the Chiefs are going to beat solid teams.

Smith over Manuel? Seriously? Manuel has ideal size, above average arm strength, great leadership skills and is a very high character guy. He played well against the same Patriot team throwing two TD's and no INT's.

Smith on the other hand is showing the same exact issues as Pre-draft. Inaccurate long ball, questionable decision making, over-throwing intermediate routes and a serious lack of pocket presence.

Honestly....I think that some of the people who want us to draft a rookie QB say they have the patience to watch them grow, but in reality would be some of the first people to complain if they didn't have a good first year.

:facepalm:

Play well?

Sorry, but if that's te way you feel, you didn't know what you were watching. He was billed to have outstanding accuracy, an last night, he was just a bit off all game.