Thanks man. Respect your football takes a lot on here.

You can keep repeating this comment. It's never going to stop being dumb.

Because Ron Parker, Marcus Cooper, and Sean McGrath were "can't miss" players when Dorsey picked them up. So I guess Dorsey should get no credit for it.

That's what I've been saying. **** the future. This is a win now league. I'm not saying go pay someone haynesworth money but sign Sanders, sign a TE that is competent, get another pass rusher and go get ****ing Alex Mack to anchor our offensive line. We can juggle the money. Winners do it. The ****ing steelers have been in cap hell the past decade.

There's no way Alex Mack can happen. Cleveland has shitloads of cap space and want to retain him.

Alex Mack is gonna get a lot more than he's worth.

He's a really good center, but I wouldn't give him more than 5/yr and somebody will offer a lot more than that.

If we want a center, a much more logical choice would be Evan Deitrich Smith.

I've read his agent are working hard to get him out. Trying to structure it in a certain way (contract)

Ok, well insert center name into that and disregard Mack. I'm tired of having a pussy offensive line.

That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that scrap heap haul from last year was special and beneficial because we were #1 in the waiver wire and Dorsey actually did his job as a GM to pluck talent from deep rosters. Something Fat Scott NEVER did. Dorsey took 7 Fat Scott players he could give a shit less about and cut them for those guys. Fat Scott would never cut 7 of his draft picks for talent from someone else's team, because he had an ego.

You seem to think this is a model we can sustain every year, I'm telling you we are not going to add 7 scrappers and subtract 7 Pioli picks every year like that off the waiver wire.

Dorsey is going to have to creative now that we are winning. We don't get a player like Marcus Cooper sitting 23rd on the waiver after training camp. You seem to think we will, I don't. That's the nature of the business.

If we take a corner he better be Revis or Sherman-esque

I don't think anybody on CP is saying rebuild or save for 2015. I think we're all acknowledging that building a team through the first wave of free agency is overrated. And the reaction on CP has been nuts. We've spent 5 years flipping out about the low value of Guards, Centers, Right Tackles, and 5-techniques, and now all of a sudden people are freaked out about losing them.

I get what you're saying. I just don't think you have to spend money to do it. I would be a lot more ecstatic if Dorsey brings in a ton of value players than I would if he brought in 1 or 2 players and nobody else. What I'm tired of, is a team that has 5 starters who don't belong on the field and a bench full of 5th stringers. And high priced free agency doesn't solve that problem.

win now IMO is signing a guy like Sanders and using a draft pick to move up in from 87 to get 2 great players to be cornerstones.

we built the team through the first four days of FA last year....

but now it's overrated?

Cooper, McGrath, and Parker were complete nobodies. It's not like these guys were known to be extremely talented, proven veterans who just couldn't make a roster. If he makes smart moves there, he can make smart moves again.

Geoff Schwartz and Akeem Jordan were < 1 million dollar players who were solid stopgaps. Anthony Sherman was a complete nobody who was traded for and became a borderline pro bowler. Abdullah, Watkins, and Rishaw Johnson were solid pickups.

That is 6 good players, and 3 backups that were brought in and they combined costed us less than $4M. That's one hell of an offseason scrap haul and most of them had nothing to do with waiver priority. That right there shows that we absolutely can repeat a good offseason picking from the scrap haul.

I asked Marty from SOC on Twitter about Sanders chances of signing

@1_ChiefsKingdom: @dthomashof Pretty good. Andy wants him.

I asked him his guess on the mystery lineman

@1_ChiefsKingdom: @dthomashof i think it's Penn from TB. Not 100%

Holy crap if we can get Penn and he shows up in shape.

Penn wasnt even released when Mitch made his comment, iirc.

That's what I was thinking. But he could've had an idea....plus he's on his way to OAK IIRC

It moved.

We got McGrath, Cooper, and Parker because of the waiver priority.

and to help prove my argument, from Cooper's AGENT himself:

You can call Marcus Cooper a complete nobody, but the fact is a good team like the 49ers thought they could pull a fast one, keeping a veteran on the team I'm sure they regret doing, because he retired in the middle of the year (hindsight 20/20). Baalke thought he was the smartest guy in the room and sometimes he is. But do you see the most important footnote of that quote? the part where FIVE TEAMS DID THEIR JOB AND PUT IN A WAIVER CLAIM FOR MARCUS COOPER? Or do you miss that part? because that proves we benefited from being FIRST.

And that's my point, if we are waiver claim #23 on the list, we don't get a Marcus Cooper. It becomes a lot harder to get guys like that when you are farther down the list. It's makes your "let's do the 2013 scrap haul model every year" very hard for consistent sustainability.

Is there even a corner in this draft like that? Gilbert and Dennard look nice but I don't see either falling to us.

Cooper is going to be a player. The 49ers would probably take a mulligan on releasing him if they could.

251 teams in 2013 passed on Marcus Cooper in the draft
The entire NFL passed on Sean McGrath in 2012
Ron Parker was cut 5 times

We are not talking about veteran free agents who were surefire starters. We are talking about unproven guys who were not good enough to make a roster, and who were not good enough to warrant even a bad draft pick.

The fact that you say Dorsey merely "did his job" as if it's easy to pull roster cut guys and turn them into starters is an unbelievable underestimation of what he did. It's great scouting. And you still have not addressed the fact that Jordan, Schwartz, Abdullah, Sherman (via trade), and potentially Watkins and/or Rishaw Johnson also ended up being very solid scrap heap pickups. I'm guessing these guys were brought in because of waiver priority.

Watkins - 5th round pick
Sherman - 5th round pick (Who was a special teams captain in Arizona, but you make him seem like he was some scrub there, no he was the same ****ing FB that was on the Chiefs. Benefits from the WCO whereas Arians doesn't use a FB)
Akeem Jordan - Andy Reid, the end
Adbullah - established player who took a year off that they jumped at first. This is just about them doing their job, correctly and being very organized to the fact that they could get a good young player cheap coming off a religious sabbatical, you make it seem like this dude was a scrub on the Vikings.
Schwartz - in case you were living under a rock, Fat Scott also wanted Geoff Schwartz the year prior when he signed with Minnesota, but Fat Scott being Fat Scott didn't get him. Andy Reid being Andy Reid, gets his guy.

as for the rest, it was John Dorsey being a GM and watching the numbers game from Seattle. Whoever Seattle cut he wanted, because he knew that talent was going to leave that team simply by roster bubbles, because they are the DEEPEST ****ING TEAM IN THE NFL THAT WON THE GOD DAMN ****ING SUPER BOWL. THAT EVERYONE WANTS TO COPY. That players 54-61 on Seattle were better than players 46-53 on the Chiefs. No shit they were. Does it take a rocket scientist to figure that one out? No it takes a GM other than Fat Scott to figure it out.

We won't be there first to reap the benefits of Seattle's cuts every year, is my point. You seem to think we will, so let's see who ends up right this year.


It's like you were so invested in Scott Pioli being awful that you think a normal GM doing an actual GM's job is some sort of god send. I understand why you would think that, but this is what normal GMs and coaches do. (hint: which is why there isn't many of them in the NFL.). These guys aren't scrubs in the sense of that they are complete nobodies, most them were scouted ten times over and drafted. Some of them victim of the numbers game by a team much better than the Chiefs. How dare Dorsey take advantage of that.

But you think this is some sustained model. That we can hold out the tip can and wait for whatever the 49ers and Seattle cut every year and reap the benefits. I'm telling you that it is harder than it looks.

Keith McGill, Utah

I wish I had a dime for every time Sac pimped some slapdick from Utah (I don't know anything about this guy, just saying)

6'3"
215 lb.
40: 4.51
33 1/4" arms
10 1/4" hands
39" vertical
10'9" broad

So I've been out all day, looks like a lot of shit went down.

Somebody fill me in

Emmanuel Sanders visits Fri. Was suppose to visit Jets next, may or may not have been cancelled in replace of the Chiefs.

Vance Walker here today and tomorrow

Mystery lineman might be Donald Penn in the kitchen with an axe

also, in the mix for Brandon Pettigrew, whatever that means.

also also, some grumblings/interest about Henry Melton if the market plays out.

And that crap linemen we signed only got a 1 year vet min deal.

He's very raw, he's only played one season at corner back, he's a guy that will need time to develop but certainly there's a lot of upside, he plays the ball well in the air, pursues the ball-carrier well, isn't the greatest tackler, footwork needs some improvement but he was the high-point of a very weak Utah secondary. I've been intrigued by him for awhile, either as a safety or as a corner back but the odds of him falling to us in the third are slim. This guy will flourish in a Pete Carroll defense- I can see teams trying to copy cat Seattle and taking him in the 2nd diminishing his value.

Nice thanks

No word on Clemons?

Clemons signed somewhere today, bro.

Prayers sent.

JK....I was talking about the guy from Seattle that signed with Jacksonville...

Wrong hole

You caught me before the edit.

I was gonna wait a couple minutes to taste tears, but figured that's not nice to do to a buddy.

but seriously how elusive is this other Chris Clemons, I don't even see any reports of him visiting ANY team.

It sure is weird.

Maybe his price tag is unrealistic and teams are waiting for the agent to drop the demands.

If that's the case, I'd be pissed if I'm Clemons because guys like Antoine Bethea signed for 6/yr iirc and before long, the options for Clemons are gonna be dwindled and he's gonna have to settle for much less.

Hopeful it's a lot like Sean smiths thing here last year. Our fo seems to keep it pretty low key in terms of fa potentials

Not cool boss, you dirty sob

:fire:

So Saunders
Penn
Pettigrew
Bryant
Walker

Would be a nice haul. Add Chris Clemons and I'd be satisfied, extremely

I don't think we are getting all of them, I believe the saga of the Mitch Holthus mystery lineman is not over yet. But having our first guess is kind of a fun version of NFL FA Clue game.

Clemons signed with Jax.

Hahahaha

DE did not the S

Feel free to look at other 1.1's and see how they've done on the waiver wire. I can promise you they don't have many impact starters out of that haul.

Jordan, Schwartz, and Abdullah costed us less than a million. Which means that 31 teams looked at them, and didn't think they were starters, let alone quality backups. Sherman was acquired for pretty much nothing. And it's very possible that Watkins or Rishaw Johnson, or even AJ Jenkins could play a big role this year.

It's beyond me that you are actually making as many excuses as you are to avoid giving credit where credit is due. And actually passing it off as easy to find STARTERS out of waiver wire pickups and < 1M free agent signings.

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Seattle getting MOAR standout DL? Damn it's gonna be ugly playing these guys.

McGill is actually a legit prospect. Really good player.

Jake Murphy would be a really good depth pick in the late 6th or 7th for TE. He's from Utah State, but still.

We don't need anymore practice squad guys.

If they're not going for an Ebron or Amaro, just roll with what we have.

Well, two things:

1. We have two sixth round picks, whether you like it or not.

2. If we've learned anything from Dorsey's love affair for Fasano, Kelce, and now Pettigrew, Dorsey prefers TEs that block like mother****ers and also happen to be decent receivers. That's the template. And I'm not sure if Ebron fits that template, but Amaro sure as **** doesn't.

So two practice squad guys.

Why do you have to be such a ****ing buzzkill?

Martyball FTW!

What are they going to do with Penn? Put him at LT and keep Fisher at RT? Put Penn at RG?

Our Adam Shefter is slacking

Yup. Penn's a pure LT.

Honestly, and I could get slaughtered for suggesting this, but Stephenson could/should be our incumbent at RT, and Fisher should have to beat him out.

God. I would absolutely wreck shit if our #1 overall pick was a ****ing swing tackle the next two years.

The pick is already spent.

If he's a swing tackel, he's a swing tackle. Quite frankly, he was going to be hard-pressed to ever live up to the pick anyway.

At this point....it is what it is. Yeah it would suck but it's not like we haven't been through this before.

Not crazy at all about this. But I hope they decide to use him at guard, If anything. Maybe at his age, that's not a bad thing.

You've been hanging out with Saccopoo too much.

Vurrrry true...haha that dude probably is stressed as hell knowing that, too. I mean, being an OL and being selected first overall...that has some stigma, for you don't read their stat-lines in the newspaper on Mondays. If that does bother him, hopefully that wussy gets over it or at least, doesn't inadvertently trip over his dick trying to compensate for it.

Henry Melton - DL - Bears
Free agent DT Henry Melton will visit the Cowboys after the Seahawks.
Melton isn't expected to sign with Seattle on his visit, unless he his blown away by an offer. Melton has expressed a desire to play for the Cowboys in his home state of Texas. If Jerry Jones can work the money right and fit Melton into the budget, he'd be a much-needed talent for a currently-talentless defensive line.
Related: Cowboys

No way in hell the Cowboys can make that work, financially.

They're in about the same place as we are, though. So I shouldn't get my hopes up here, either.

Jerry Jones is a damn fool.

Maybe it's because I have a 5-year old, but I have completely gone over to pronouncing BadGuy's name as "badgee" like they do in the Muppets Most Wanted trailer.

In regards to the Chiefs being interested in Chris Clemons...

Terez A. Paylor ‏@TerezPaylor 10m

I would think so but I haven’t heard anything

OMG

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any new update bad guy on sanders or any other free agents ?

SO

TBG - whats the word in your ear?

blah blah

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No he hasn't.

If he had, he'd have realized that Murphy is from Utah, not Utah State.

Pretty good tight end though, regardless.

Demetrius Harris, bitches.

I thought we cut him.

So Frank, what's your guy have to say about this whole Emmanuelle Sanders goat ****?

Please just get Chris Clemons in here

any new info from your guy on free agents chiefs are interested in bringin in tbg ?

Got nothin' man. Anything I find out, I'll be sure to post it here.

Haven't gotten a response in the last 24 hours.

The no-reply is pretty telling. I think this one is going to sting them for a long time.

Yeah, then we signed him to a max PS contract. That tells me that he showed enough to our Coaching staff to invest a decent chunk of change in him ($100k).

They cut him because he was still too raw, having not played football since high school, and didn't develop fast enough to warrant an actual roster spot.

I remember reading a report that said he looked lost a lot of the times in practice but was still able to make some plays in the passing game.

Hoping we take a flyer on James Jones, then add a WR in rd 1. This draft, we must find Tamba and Flowers replacements.