Fair enough.

Dude, I'm actually with you.

Go back and look at the draft threads. I was crying for us to draft a QB, even after the Alex trade. I am so terrified we are going to spend our first rounder this year on another ****ing lineman, because derp a derp trenches.

This team is missing skill at the skill position. If anything, I suppose it's best to be pissed off that we didn't go after Tayvon Austin.

Even after we signed Devito? I saw Richardson as a top talent physically but not the type of character risk you want to take at #1 overall.

Tell me how well that has worked out for the Lions?:hmmm:

Good teams don't draft the skills positions in the top 5 unless they are:

1. Completely set along their OT and DL.

2. That skills player is a once in a generation-type talent. (Calvin Johnson)

3. The skills players available are clearly superior in talent to the OT or DL player available.

I think a pass rusher who can play nearly every technique on the line is a playmaker, which is why I thought Sheldon would be an excellent addition.


That's entirely subjective though.

Again, we had 2 tackles the same as we had two des.

Don't be silly.

Hindsight is 20/20. No one saw Richardson as a "sure thing" 3-4 DE and a top three pick at the time. Maybe some wanted to trade back and take him but, that's almost a pipe dream with the #1 pick.

Well, I'm sure someone did.

I guess someone...

What the **** does this even mean? Is this in reference to drafting in the top 5? Top 10? First round? First 3 rounds? Not until the team is 2 deep minimum at all OL positions?


LMAO. What the **** is your definition of a anyways?

On defense I do think you have to start in the trenches, UNLESS you run a 3-4. The pass rush makes an average secondary look great.

On offense good QB's make average to poor lines look good. You don't need the SF offensive line to win. The rules favor the pass and teams run less.

What you need are guys that make plays: both on offense and defense...

Yeah, but we had 2 clear starters at 5-tech vs 1 clear starter at OT.

Sorter and I were banging that drum all offseason

Hooray for more Blackbob!!

Countdown to a Sorter/Oldschool argument about defensive front alignments in 3...2...1...


EDIT: ****... beaten.

Then we were drafting strictly for need?

That'd be really ****ing swell if our DEs solely played the 5 technique every down.

Fixed. Just kinda had to on general principle.

Again, because that has worked out so well for the Lions.

Who was better in the 90s? Lions or Cowboys? One had a bad OL and the other had one of the greatest OLs in history. Which team was better? Can you guess?

LMAO

We all saw this coming. I swear, it was inevitable.

Not really. It was BPA at a position of need. There were no clean and clearly dominant defensive players. There were no clean and clearly dominant offensive skills talents. The only clean and dominant talents based off of their college tape were along the OL and Fisher was judged to be the best of them. That's all there was to it and that's why Dorsey made the FA moves that he did.

You can lead a mongo to water but apparently after providing detailed descriptions, images, .gifs, and videos you can't ****ing teach these idiots anything about gap integrity, fronts or coverages.

It's ****ing pointless.

I really think some are misguided when they want a pass rushing DE. I don't think that's really part of the plan. In fact, I bet we re-sign Jackson in the near future. I think Dorsey would be very happy moving forward with Jackson, Poe, and Devito up there. They might continue to take fliers on guys like Capatano but, they aren't looking for d-linemen to rush the passer in such a manner that some make out. It's not Rex Ryan's defense. We have elite pass rushing linebackers. They aren't great at stopping the run. We rely on our d-line and safeties to stop the run. It will never be the same as the Jets and only a fool of a coach would make it that way. It would be like fitting a round peg in a square hole.

Stupid comment and completely untrue.

In 2012 Justin Blackmon and Trent Richardson were top 5 draft picks. Both teams had $3it o lines.

In 2011 A. J. Green went no 4 overall.

In 08 McFadden went no 4 overall.

In 07 Calvin Johnson was no 2 overall and Adrian Peterson was taken at 7.

And more and more teams (4-3) are rotating D lineman. They're drafting as many pass rushers as they can and rotate to keep them fresh.

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Seriously mods? ThigLyfe is gone forever and this idiot continues to post here?

Man I wanted Sheldon Richardson last year in a trade down with the Jets for their 2 firsts but it was never realistic.

Tell em where Sutton came from then?

Yep, I agree. That would have been a badass deal.

Can we all agree on this? We ALL wanted to trade down? I'd wager that Dorsey is included in that group.

Le sigh...

THe one with possibly 3 HOF players on offense, you tool.

Aikman, Smith, and Irvin were playmakers. Aikman was a better QB than people remember and they also had a great TE and Fullback.

They were loaded on offense...

Or why training camp and PS mirrored their install.

The Jets but, he didn't have three pro bowl linebackers and an all pro SS. The pass rush came from the d-line and the linebackers stopped the run. People need to try and understand we aren't trying to do the same thing. It would be a waste and mis-use of talent. There are similarities and some of the same packages/plays but our best defensive players are completely different than what he had in NY.

Nothing beats an arrogant idiot

I don't even...

Yeah.

I think we could have but they weren't willing to budge much from what they thought was fair value.

I think in a draft that weak you have to work with a sliding scale. Hell, getting less back that draft and more back this year would have been fine. Honestly, it would look ****ing brilliant today...

ROFL I didn't mean to come off that way. I just see the priorities differently. A player like Jackson is what they will be looking for imo. I guess we'll see.

What defensive coordinator at any ****ing level doesn't want a pass rush from it's ? Seriously? You think that they don't want any pass rushing productivity out of their interior players, given that it's the closest distance to the QB (holy **** Blackbob, math!) and you can create advantageous matchups based on stunts and fronts?



You are truly the dumbest ****ing one who sucks the penis I've ever read from on any message board. I take back any bad things I ever said about Hootie's football posts because this shit is absolutely disastrous.

Then why isn't he back?

I never said that. I said it wasn't as important as some make it out to be. I said they want their d-line to excel at stopping the run over rushing the passer. Obviously anyone would want both but, that is rare.

Why didn't they re-sign anyone until today? I really think he'll be back. Or, someone in his mold will be here.

Yeeeaaahhh, and where are those teams at?

Jags were average to mediocre everywhere along their OL save for Monroe. Their team still sucks and Blackmon is a bonehead.

McFadden is a bust.

Calvin Johnson is a great player, but how are the Lions doing with him and their "franchise" QB? They haven't done shit, that's your answer.

Bengals already had a solid OL and were set at both OT positions. They still suck even with A.J. Green and a dominant defense because Andy Dalton can't pull his head out of his own a** sometimes. They are a case of having talent everywhere but not being able to put it together.

Richardson had 2 great OL players in Mack and Thomas. The other 3 are pretty average. Richardson is also a bust btw.

You aren't helping your argument any here. I said good teams don't draft skills positions top 5 unless they fit those qualifiers.

Last time I checked:

Browns, Jags, Lions, and Raiders are all failures. Hell, throw the Bengals in there as well because, on paper, they should be the power house team of the AFC but instead they fail to live up to expectations every year despite having great talent everywhere (except for QB).

I don't know a lot about this but I think maybe you've mixed up and are thinking about Romeos scheme.

Good teams don't ****ing draft in the top 5.

Period.

When was the last time the Patriots, Steelers, Seahawks, or Packers, or Saints picked in the top 5?

They ****ing don't because they aren't run by idiots...

Good teams don't draft skill players top 5 because good teams don't draft top 5

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It's about playing to your players talents man. That's what good coaches do. Our talents are different than the Jets. That's all I am saying here. The Jets never used a safety like we used Berry. We never used a CB like they used Revis. They rarely use OLB like we use Hali and Houston and we can't generate a pass rush like Richardson and Wilkerson can.

Sutton isn't going to pigeon hole himself and Dorsey is going to build off what we excel at. It's common sense.

Please, tell me how the responsibilities of the S's and CB's are different.

Come one man. "Revis Island?" Flowers has never been left alone like that. Do you not see how we use Berry? He's all over the place and playing at the line like Polamalu. You don't see a whole lot of that. He's a rare talent.

Yes, he has and was.

You don't know much about the Jets, do you?...

I don't think you have any clue what philosophy you're talking about

There is so much stupidity in this ****ing post, I might just post in the DC until the end of time.


Like, unimaginably stupid.

ROFL go watch Deadly Dozen on netflix to calm you down, it'll cheer you up LMAO

So you want to be the Lions of 2002-2010?

*googles "Deadly Dozen" *


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This is so basic. Teams had to game plan around Revis. That's never been the case for Flowers. He's never been a focal point on our defense. Teams have to game plan around Berry. He is a focal point on our defense. When Revis was a Jet, he helped generate a pass rush from the d-line. We do not have the personnel to do that. We have to rely on our elite LB corps. Why wouldn't we? Do you guys want to scrap our cornerstones and mimic the Jets? That doesn't make sense. I'm not trying to argue for the sake of arguing. You guys are making a mountain out of a molehill.

Oh it's fantastic! I watched all of them. It's awesome

ROFL

How exactly did Revis help generate a pass rush from the Dline?

He gave them an extra second or two to get to the QB. It's the same reason they invested in a really good CB like Cromartie and drafted Kyle Wilson in the first round a couple of years ago. Come on man. An elementary school kid could see the difference in what the Chiefs are trying to do and what the Jets were trying to do when Sutton was there. It's about building off your best personnel. It's not all about the scheme. Will you see where I'm coming from if we re-sign Jackson? I really think he'll be a priority for this regime.

All of them except the Lions (and the Bengals) have drafted an OT in the top 5 in the recent past.

Did I mention the ****ing Lions?

No, I did not.

I mentioned good teams.

eric berry plays the 'star'...duh! The jets don't have anyone who can play the 'star'

I missed comedy gold.

This is what happens when I do shit for work instead of posting on Chiefs Planet :mad:

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