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We shall know in a few days, but last years draft was not much better than Pioli's first.

One things for sure...I'm gonna be a lot more pissed if all this costs us Justin Houston than having to replace Alex Smith.

Probably not, but last year's draft class was fairly shitty.

I'd say they need to find his teams Nick Foles.

EDIT: whoops...thought this was an Aaron Murray clip.

I wouldn't go that far, either.

If it weren't for injuries, that was a pretty good draft class.

Which also makes it comparable to Pioli's first.

I wish we were more aggressive in trying to obtain Foles. I still think it's feasible we could have got him for a 2nd/3rd prior to him lighting it up last year.

We can't ****ing afford it.

Sorry. I'd love to see him get a huge contract and build a swimming pool on his house and fill it with gold coins like Scrooge McDuck.

We have to pay Houston, Berry, and Poe. We're already going to make sacrifices with Flowers and probably Hali next season. Bowe isn't going to see all of the years he signed on his extension, either.

I'd be all in favor of keeping Smith around for that price if he were younger, had less of a concussion/injury history, and had a resume that far more resembled the Indianapolis game instead of the San Francisco Smith. Paying that kind of dough for somebody who has yet to toss more than 30 TDs and 4000 yards in a season is ridiculous. It's ludicrous and dumb and ****tarded. I don't care WHAT style of QBing he is or how efficiently he approaches the position.

When you dole out that kind of money for a QB, you expect him to pull a shit ton of the team's weight in scoring and leading the offense. You expect a Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers kind of workload. Stats don't mean anything until you're paying out the ass for a guy, and when that happens, then you want your guy to be a bigger generator of yardage and points instead of just taking what the defense gives him and letting the playmakers do their jobs.

So no. He's NOT the guy to lead the franchise. Not with the way he plays and for the price he's asking.

LMAO Whoa. Dial it down a bit.

It's not about what you think or what I think. It's about what the franchise thinks. You wouldn't have made that trade. I wouldn't have made that trade. They did. You wouldn't give him a high dollar contract. I wouldn't, either. But, again, they made the trade. And they've talked about him like they believe he is one of 'those' guys. They're going to get a deal done. It's just a matter of time. You know it as well as I do. That's how these things go. All this public negotiating will go on and then suddenly one morning we'll get up and find out he's under contract until 2020. I don't like it much, but it's what's most likely to happen.

Only on CP would there now after all these years be a meltdown over the chance the Chiefs take a QB fairly high in the draft.

Pure awesome.

And nobody knows why the talks aren't progressing, Condon may be playing hardball figuring KC has few options.

That doesn't mean something reasonable doesn't eventually get done, this shit always takes time.

I also cant believe the massive stress over 2 2nd round picks.That's not franchise altering loss unless you really really suck at drafting in all other rounds in which case it still doesn't matter since you suck at drafting.

Wasn't Cassels deal announced during the draft?

As was 2009.

The more things change with the Chiefs, the more they remain the same.

I'm mad and I'm going to post it a 1000 times/CP

Middle of July I think.

No...I believe it was after the draft.

Maybe it was just the rumor that they had agreed to a long term deal that leaked around the time of the draft.

I'm not mad.

I just don't want to sacrifice keeping Houston, Berry, or Poe around longterm just so we can give Smith $100 million.

If drafting a QB lowers the pricetag or becomes the new future, I'm fine with that.

Really? Who has proven himself as a quality starter on the team? Am I forgetting someone? You are hoping the injured players end up being starters? We all do, but not even 1.1 has proven himself in my opinion.

Mr. Irrelevant is still the kicker from Piolis first draft, and 1.3 became serviceable albeit not deserving of his slot.

Last years #23 pick (Shariff Floyd) signed a slotted rookie deal for 4 years 7.6 million dollars.

If we can get one of the top 4 quarterbacks for that type of price tag and pair him with a teacher like Andy Reid, that's a much better option than paying Alex Smith similar to Jay Cutler and I can't imagine anyone arguing otherwise.

I want them to draft a quarterback regardless of what they do with Smith. Would love to be the team giving away a backup (or Smith) for a 2nd instead of the team always picking up everybody else's table scraps. Hell, I don't like Aaron Murray at all, but what could possibly be better than, say, picking him up in the 3rd, sitting him for two years to groom and then trading away Alex Smith in 2016 and letting somebody else eat the back 4 years of his contract. Well, I guess Bray turning into something too would be even better, but that's too much to ask.

If I thought there was a snow balls chance in hell of the Chiefs actually drafting a QB in the first I would be doing PBJ PBJ PBJ PBJ.

But what I am pissed about is them being in this position, with a Tom Condon client, after giving up 2 seconds for a slightly above average QB that helped them get back to slightly above mediocrity and a wild card where he failed.

Now the team is exactly where they were for so many years, drafting too low to take a franchise QB even if they would dare do so.

Been down this road so many times I know which mile marker is coming up next.

I'm basing my opinion on what my eyes saw at camp.

Knile Davis looked like a difference maker, as did Kelce. Eric Fisher was getting whooped repeatedly, but part of that was transitioning to the right side and I think he will be more natural on the left side.

Kush and Catapano should both play increased roles and showed against SD that they can play at this level.

It's just a negotiation. Both sides are going to gasp at the other side's offers and act like they are crazy. When the deal is finally made they'll all hug and kiss and say it was never not going to happen. It's just business.

Smith's camp has the advantage right now because the team has to make a choice tomorrow. If they don't pick a QB, then Smith's camp gets more leverage. The team can prevent that, but they have to spend a first round pick to do it.

The way I see it there are two possibilities:

1. The sides really are far apart. Smith's camp has the advantage then because the Chiefs have to decide what to do with their first round pick tomorrow. I'd not be surprised if Alex's camp said "let's talk after the draft". They are probably willing to bet that they won't spend a first on a QB.

2. This is all a smokescreen, and the sides already have an agreement in principle. It's just gamesmanship for draft day.


I tend to think it's #2. They invested too much in draft value and things went too well last year for the Reid and Smith marriage to just split up over a few bucks. They're trying to drive up the premium of QBs in the draft so that someone trades with them, or they get the consolation prize of someone else they like falling to them.

The simplest explaination is usually the best. I doubt Alex is the kind of guy who's going to turn into TO over a couple mill. He's in the best position to perform that he's been in over his whole career so far, being the unquestioned starter and with a coach who is committed to him. He won't talk his way out of that.

Boss, we all hope you are right. It would be fantastic. Knile Davis is the only guy of that group that got me excited. I would love to see that class turn out to be one of the good ones.

If he doesn't agree to a deal, they will just tag him.

As a human being, you'd have to think that'd get real old real fast. If KC dropped Smith after this year, i would understand if Smith went all "Kyle Orton" and said **** it, gimmie the clipboard.

Then you'll probably lose Houston.

Maybe they will meet somewhere in the middle.

I'd franchise tag Houston and transition tag Alex.

This.

Since when have you been able to tag two players at once?

I've seen this posted a few times now...

But, both scenarios would have the same result so it's irrelevant. Trading picks with a team in front of the Chiefs, or trading directly with the Chiefs, both effectively eliminates the Chiefs from picking anyone ahead of that team. There's no difference.

When was the last time that we were so vocal in expressing our willingness to draft a 1st time QB? Smoke-screen or not, when was the last time the Chiefs were reportedly "possibly interested in taking a QB in the 1st round of the draft" prior to the draft taking place?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchise_tag

In the National Football League, the franchise tag is a designation a team may apply to a player scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent. The tag binds the player to the team for one year if certain conditions are met. Each team has access each year to only one franchise tag (of either the exclusive or non-exclusive forms) and one transition tag. As a result, each team may only designate one player each year as that team's franchise player. It has been designed to reduce player movement (often to bigger markets) which is often evidenced in other major pro sports leagues.

If we draft Derek Carr to sit behind Smith for a year and Smith has a crappy year next year and the Chiefs fans started making these kinds of chants about Derek, I bet Smith will seriously be like, "**** my ****ing life" and despise the entire Carr family.

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A club can designate one franchise player or one transition player in any given year.

http://football.about.com/cs/footbal...hisetransi.htm

Um....

I think it was when Carl Peterson did that infamous 2007 draft interview where he said he was def. going to draft Brady Quinn if he slid to our slot and kept calling Trey Wingo Zack. The Browns proceeded to trade one slot ahead of us and we got Bowe instead.

This is just ChiefsPlanet's population. The average Chiefs fan probably wants Alex Smith locked up long term and for the team to draft a WR or something else on offense.

Nearly everyone here would applaud a reasonable contract extension for Alex Smith.

Don't be so obtuse.

I like to fantasize the back door meetings, with Dorsey telling Alex if he doesn't take less than 15mil, he will have the Carr brothers run his ass out of town.

Uh, ok

lol.

That would be reasonable to expect out of Smith, wouldn't it? It's not Smith doing the negotiations, though. It's Condon. And he has an alarming recent history of gouging teams out of 100s of millions of dollars in contract extensions for his QB clients. And why would Condon try to back off from that blood-sucking strategy just for Alex? He gets more money on larger contracts.

I've never heard of a franchise leaking false information about negotiations just to play up the draft or the events that might take place, especially in this hypothetical situation, where Smith and the Chiefs already have a deal pretty much in place.

I understand that point of view but consider it this way:

Scott Pioli traded for Cassel, paid a high price, immediately inked him to a long-term contract when he didn't have to, and then refused to replace him as the QB.

Dorsey traded for Smith, paid a higher price in draft compensation, but let him play out his deal and *perhaps* based upon the quality of his play, might not be willing to pay up in the upper tier of QBs.

It demonstrates a willingness to admit a mistake. Far too few executives can do that, and it gives me faith that he just might be a rational actor.

:rolleyes:

That's what Smith hired him to do...

Probably because he works for Alex Smith. If he doesn't want the commission then it will not be an issue for Smith to get another agent quickly.
It would only make sense that Alex and Condon have had communications about basic parameters that Alex wants in this contract and why. If Condon did not agree to that then Smith should have replaced him right then and there.
I would imagine that Dorsey or Reid could call Alex up at any given moment and tell him what they are offering and find out what Smith thinks about the offer and what numbers need to change in his opinion.

Smith hired Condone because Condone is a shrewed negotiator. We as fans all hate it but I guarantee you if I was an NFL QB I'd be loving me an agent that gets the very best contract possible for me. It's all part of the business, you can't hate Condone for doing his damn job. You can hate the business end of the NFL but that's just the way it is.

So you condone what Alex and Condon are doing?

Not sure you can just go around a player's agent to clue the player in on the deal you're offering.

Why would you knock the hustle?

The first objective is to get paid and John Dorsey has illustrated that he's reeruned when it comes to forming contracts.

If Alex Smith and Tom Condon think they can get more elsewhere, let him go sign a deal in Oakland or Cleveland and waste the 2-4 good years he might have left.

If he wants to win, he will stay near a coach like Andy Reid and on a team with surrounding talent.

doh! Nope, I hate it too but it's part of the business....

Why couldn't you? If Dorsey, Reid, and Smith have had conversations about his contract and what he wants in a long term contract, I would assume that they did that before trading 2 picks for Smith. I would also assume that they have stayed in touch with him about that situation. If you know you have offered more than Smith has told you face to face what he wants then you should be able to call him on what he has said and what his representative is trying to do on his behalf.

It's also entirely possible they had no conversations at all about a long term contract and traded those picks with only the next 2 years in mind...

I ****ing know that.

Tell that to the people who are making assumptions about Smith's supposed humble "Oh, I don't want TOO much money" attitude

I think presumptions on "what Alex and Condon are doing" are pre-mature at this point. We have no idea what's holding things up. I again point to the pre 2011 negotiation in which Smith was under the impression that the deal was for all intents and purposes, done and didn't know why the formality of signing was taking so long. Came to find out Condon was pimping Manning to the niners at that time. If I were Smith, I'd have found a new agent right then and there... but if Condon is one of the best, maybe the smart thing to do is swallow your pride.

There could be a million reasons why the extension hasn't happened. Assuming it's because Smith is "demanding 20m" - as some people have argued is a stretch and actually goes against the word of one of the few people who's word still counts for anything in this profession.

According to Sirius Radio, Smith is asking around 19 million... And chiefs are not sure he's worth that.

LMAO That's what Peyton Manning is getting from the Broncos. I know posturing and all, but that's just flat out reeruned.

If true, this would actually be halfway clever.

Alex needs to tell his agent to get it done. And the Chiefs need to give Alex the deal he deserves. Just get it done first and foremost. He had an awesome year with the team! Hopefully he and the Chiefs can take the next step forward.

The number doesn't mean much..the guarantee is where it is at.

I don't think it is in the Chiefs best interest to get the deal done before the draft. Alex has never been about the money in the past..I really doubt he or his agent are keeping a fair deal from being done.

To an extent, it does. If he wants an absurd avg, who's to say he doesn't want an absurd amount of guaranteed money as well?

exactly, rumor broke the night before the draft

They're independant numbers...all kinds of factors could influence it.

Example: 20 million with nothing guaranteed could end up being 5 million. Or, a way out if he doesn't live up to the 20 million.

The numbers are meaningless at this point.

I still don't think this is really about Alex holding out.

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$19 million?

Dude can go **** himself.

It's not like there's a huge rush on this...

Negotiations are never "going well" until a deal is done. KC wants him and he wants to stay in KC. They will do a deal, end of story.

This.

If that's actually the case, Smith can go to Cleveland and die.

The mass exodus of your people when Smith doesn't stay in KC is going to be ****ing amazing.

I just wouldn't give Smith a big contract extension.

You're missing the basic thing here. If he and or Condon wants a dumb average per year, how exactly do you know that he or they aren't also shooting for a dumb guaranteed figure?

Oh well... hopefully Reid lives up to his name as the QB whisperer and makes something out of Bray.

I'm not sure what would be amazing about it... I'd say "expected" is more the right word.

"The mass exodus of your people when Smith doesn't stay in KC is going to be ****ing expected"

Sure that would be entirely possible. Not sure what kind of sense that would make. I also don't think it is likely that they had that in mind or that they would have traded for him without knowing ballpark of what it would take to sign him long term.