And how many starts does Daniel have compared to the three QBs in front of him?

Most of the guys on that list were acquired with the intention of them being the starter and they were beaten out for the job.

I heard the price for Daniel kept going up because the Saints were matching most offers.

Just what I heard.

lolwut?

Considering that list is old.....

Weeden is with the Cowboys now....so no.
Ponder? Sure.
Stanton? No.
Gabbert? Maybe with the Jags....but not now with the 49ers.
Kolb? Sure.
Fitzpatrick? Not even with the Titans anymore but when he was....he was there to backup Locker.
Daniel? No.
Orton? No.
Hasselbeck? No.
Moore? No.

well if you only consider 'successful' starts then it's pretty close to even


lol

You do realize that list was from last year, right?

Try February 2014. Look at the date on the article.

Uh... why don't you THINK about the date on the article. February was before any of those guys went to their new teams.

Did you not notice that Brandon Weeden was listed as a Brown?

Did you ****ing read my goddamn post? Even if you look at their old teams....that adds what....2 to the guys who should have been starters. That does not equal MOST like you claimed.

As I said time and time again, I'd be happier than a pig in shit if Bray puts it all together. His ceiling is a metric ****TON higher than Murray's. While saying that it's my belief that Murray will be at least Matt Schaub's level in the long run.

Organized team activities.

Wrong.

Oops.

QB with a rocket launcher for an arm is awfully sexy.

But in the grand scheme of things it doesn't mean shit.

As long as it's not a ****in noodle arm, I think arm strength is the most overrated aspect of the QB position.

Arm strength isn't overrated, it very valuable.

The problem is similar to running QB's though.

A QB gets used to using their legs/rocket arm instead of reading the Defense and/or anticipating windows. It hurts their development in the mental aspect of the game which really comes into play at the NFL level.

Arm strength is not overrated.

It opens up the field. Dumbass.

Arm strength is the most overrated attribute for a QB. Of the elite QB, the only QB you'd classify as having a cannon is Aaron Rodgers. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning's arm aren't much better than average. Drew Brees is above average but not stellar. Phillip Rivers is barely above average.

A cannon is nice, but it's not necessary at all. Of Aaron Rodger's 552 attempts in 2012, only 16 (2.9%) went over 30 yards. Quarterbacks don't fail because of arm strength. They fail because of decision making and accuracy. On the flip side, quarterbacks don't win because of arm strength, they win because of decision making and accuracy.

The strongest arms in the league right now are Jay Cutler, Matt Stafford. Cam.

I'd put Flacco and Kaep in there too. I think their arm strength is overlooked.

Stafford also only thew 2.9% of his passes over 30 yards last year. Cutler 5.9% in 2012.

Once again, it's just not a big deal. A quarterback will not win because of arm strength. They'll win because they're accurate and make good decisions. Hell mobility/pocket presence is more important than having a cannon.

Ya, they're definitely up there. I'm not attempting to make a point either way. Just thinking out words.

I concur.

Except for it opens up the field so Rodgers can hit those receivers underneath since the D doesn't have 9 in the box. There's that whole argument but we will ignore it.

Matt Cassel didn't have that luxury.

Arm strength isn't really about throwing it 30+ yards. It's about beating defenders to the spot, and utilizing tight windows.

Oline protection and fast WR's who can get off the line and run good routes is what stretches the field you ****ing moron.

Most QB's can throw 30-40yds in the air with no problem. There aren't too many passing plays that are designed to go further than that unless you're playing a hail mary at the end of a half.

Of course if you have a noodle arm you're gonna be screwed if you want to play outside the hash marks. Most NFL QB's can make those throws.

But this whole "Tyler Bray's ceiling is so much higher because of his arm" is a bunch of a crap.

Rodgers opens up the field by being extremely accurate. Not because he throws 2.9% of his passes 31+ yards

Matt Cassel sucked because he had shitty accuracy and shitty decision making. Not because he didn't have a big arm.

Don't want to step on your toes, but TJ Carpenter is the last qualified person there is to give football updates...

I'm confused why so many of you write off Dressler. Think he'll surprise a lot of people here.

If Belichik can trot out Woodhead and any other try hard successfully, why wouldn't Dressler have a good shot?

Why would he leave CFL if he didn't have a good shot?

I think he's going to probably nee that hard working know his assignment inside out guy who overachieves.

Not saying he kills it, but certainly could easily make this roster at WR.

You don't think Cassel had a big arm though, do you? You are basically saying that his lack of a big arm wasn't the root of his demise, correct?

This.

As I said if he gets it together, and actually hone his craft we'll have a Dan Marino and Brett Favre cross.

Cassel couldn't get the ball to his receivers in a timely fashion b/c he had a shit arm.

A 10 yard out for that guy was terrifying. Unless it was too Bowe, then just don't worry about beating the coverage, let Bowe get it.

I agree he'll be a slot possession guy to replace mcluster for 1-2 years while DAT comes along.

You actually think Cassel failed because of his arm? So he made good decisions and had good accuracy?
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too much arm strength is bad. Bray will overthrow all our receivers.

No he couldn't get the ball to the WRs cause he was in the bottom 5 quarterbacks in terms of accuracy.
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Agreed with all, and as you say, its damn sexy... but if the guy has all of the other skills, then that big arm becomes a major advantage.

He's just as qualified as anyone on this board making comments about his accuracy, no?

And unlike everyone on this board judging him from his QB play in college, TJ is judging him from what he saw a week ago...not two years ago.

Everyone gets so caught up in his play at TN, yet ignore how he has done since arriving to KC.

Lastly, TJ isn't the only media member making these comments.

Once again, if you're basing your info based of OTAs, then Demetrius Harris is the second coming of Jimmy Graham.

Everyone seemed to have just ingored this post...

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=316

You mean TJ is judging Bray while he is throwing in shorts / controlled environmen - Anything but full speed/ contact, right? :shrug:

For divisions with outdoor teams and bad weather late in the year and post-season, I think having a strong armed QB helps - Pitt & Baltimore.

If your run a WCO it obviously doesn't matter as much.

If you can't throw it in shorts without pressure, you'd think they would do worse in live action.

The last time he was in pads was last preseason, unfortunately.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=316

He did okay.

People here want him to fail and are still stuck on his college performance. The guy has improved....but people just ignore that.

This is correct.

Peyton, with a fraction of the average-ish arm strength he had to begin with, just had the best season a QBs ever had. That tells you all you need to know.

Right.

Peyton is a cerebral assassin though.

Arm Strength isn't the end-all to a QB's success...but to imply that it is overrated is hogwash.

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Exactly. Peyton, Brady, Rivers and Brees don't have howitzer arms. Average to slightly above average at best. Rivers is supposedly "the best" deep ball thrower in the last 5 or so years but when you look at the throws, most of them are chuck-em-ups where the receiver has to stop, turn around, then win the jump ball.

I'm excited to see how bray does in preseason. Should be better than Daniel

Indeed.

He was better last preseason.

I'm curious to see how he's developed after a year of learning and adjusting to the NFL

Apparently he hasnt according to posters here. Because he was not accurate in college.

:(

I don't know. I don't pretend to have all the answers but it does indeed appear to be an overrated measuring point.

Top strong arms QBs in the league (debatable, obviously):
Matt Stafford
Aaron Rodgers
Joe Flacco
Colin Kaepernick
Mike Vick
Andrew Luck

Top rated QBs in the league:
Peyton Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Philip Rivers
Nick Foles/Andrew Luck/Russell Wilson

I'm headed in a meeting in a few, but 810 is suppose to have todays camp updates around 1:30 if anyone is listening and cares to post what they say. :)

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Houston and Flowers were not at Chiefs OTAs today

Houston is holding out
Flowers told not to show up


jmo

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Hey pic.twitter.com/2JArov8JQ9

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A few guys missing from Chiefs OTAs with injury. The usual group from the last few days

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Waiting on Eric Berry to come talk to us. He is currently running a giant hill. I am putting in work standing around, too

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Zombo and Dee Ford saw first team snaps with Houston out. Cooper in for Flowers

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>TE Demetrius Harris had another highlight catch. Won a great contested ball on a deep pass over S Malcolm Bronson.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/statuses/473897152083554306">June 3, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>But the play of the day came courtesy of Donnie Avery, who smoked Sean Smith on a deep post and caught a gorgeous TD from Alex Smith <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Chiefs&amp;src=hash">#Chiefs</a></p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/statuses/473897555848208386">June 3, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Interesting tidbit.
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IMO, that would be the best way to maximize the skill-sets of both players.

oh god oh please oh please oh god

***The Official Chiefs OTA's Thread***
 

Excellent.

Chiefs CB Ron Parker picked off an errant QB Chase Daniel pass during 11-on-11. Also, QB Aaron Murray is back at OTAs.

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QB Tyler Bray has a gun but you can see there’s still some developing that needs to be done. Accuracy was a little off today.

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Put it this way: when it comes to QB play so far, there’s a large gap between Alex Smith and the next guys (as it should be).

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>I asked Berry about playing 2-deep/1-high and he said he was excited to show he could do that more. Has consistently said he can do it.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/statuses/473899823003729921">June 3, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>A.J. Jenkins did not practice today due to a hamstring. CB David Van Dyke did not, either.</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/statuses/473900234876006400">June 3, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Chatted with <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Chiefs&amp;src=hash">#Chiefs</a> TE Sean McGrath post-practice. “The beard is back,” he said. “Fans like it. I figure if it’s not broken, don’t’fix it.”</p>&mdash; Herbie Teope (@HerbieTeope) <a href="https://twitter.com/HerbieTeope/statuses/473900546852524032">June 3, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Chiefs have had newcomer J'Marcus Webb starting at RT and Stephenson at LT while Eric Fisher recuperates</p>&mdash; Randy Covitz (@randycovitz) <a href="https://twitter.com/randycovitz/statuses/473900541139902464">June 3, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Good let Berry be a ballhawk. I like Abdullah a lot he makes plays. He was the best bargain last year.

Jesus that pick just keeps sucking

He is probably up to page 10 of the play book now. :p

Harris is the guy I'm watching in preseason besides bray and ford.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Put it this way: when it comes to QB play so far, there’s a large gap between Alex Smith and the next guys (as it should be).</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/statuses/473904991216738305">June 3, 2014</a></blockquote>
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So I take it Flowers is gone? Traded or cut soon?

Even when Fisher comes back, Stephenson should stay at LT

That is GREAT news about Berry and Abdullah

Yup, Abdullah was pretty good when he was playing more of a box role.