This comment makes me think you have a fairly distorted view of douche, cunnilingus, and mothers.

Good post and congrats...

And that's where the NFL draws so much of its criticism and ire; with each tough call that's missed, massive hold that's let go, PI that's not called (and ticky-tack that is called), the rub that goes uncalled for what it is, the under-penalized brutal facemask (Talib), and the blatant offsides that's not called (Talib), it gets worse.

All too often the officials appear to be star-struck and make favorable calls to the league's favored stars. IOW, Manning or Brady complain and it's heard, other QBs say something and he's told to move on. It's too bad the average QBs haven't made a pact to make a scene just to get it on TV and get it talked about even more.

The NFL knows all these issues exist and they do too little to fix it, and it sucks for teams who don't have a Manning or Brady.

For now I'd settle for the NFL adding yet another two officials to the field, not to watch for the QB's running mascara, but to watch for any D lineman's jersey getting tugged. It happens to all teams, but it's worse for some of us.

... Denver crushed Carolina, plain and simple fact. The "Cotchery Debacle" is an incomplete pass 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the time.

believe anything we/they tell you without question

This thread is a factory of sadness...

Is Mike Carey ever right when they ask him for his opinion on replay's?

I believe what I see, and it looked like the nose of the ball was on the ground.

And I don't believe anyone who thinks Terrell Owens was an actor and all the players are on in on the show.

It's so ****ing stupid I have to dismiss anything that is said by these people.

The financial and PR impact to the league if any of these players blew the whistle would be be devastating.

It's also moronic to think that none of these broke players would come forward for the HUGE payday that awaits anyone willing to tell the story.

Not to mention if it was all an act concussions would be all but gone because these "actors" would not be smashing each others brains out when the games are fixed and they all know about it.

Deflategate would never have happened. Why deflate the balls and cheat to win? It's pre-determined. There is so much evidence to the contrary, and situations that are just completely impossible, like keeping all the shit for brains players who have come through the league mum about the whole thing, that it make it impossible to take you seriously on this issue.

Sure, parts of are. Parts of it are interesting too.

But hey, it's been since 1969 for us, what else do we have...

But be a good sport and next time you're on the Mange hook us up by telling them their banning tendencies are full-on gay.

Officiating is clearly biased in favor of some teams/players.

That's the part that proves the NFL is an "Entertainment" thing first and foremost.

But hey, the top of that pyramid is getting way rich!

That's the only part that has any merit whatsoever.

And hey, none of the other owners, like Al Davis or Jerry Jones cared that it's rigged.

Jerry Jones doesn't care that his teams never get to win in the POs.

Completely broke ex-players don't care about driving used cars when they are sitting on a multi-million dollar story.

bias by its very nature is manipulation in a specific direction.

you cant define it liberally

We're one super-star QB away from some of that awesome bias sauce..

I cant believe I found this lol

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The NFL doesn't care that they would lose half their fan base if this info came out either.

If this story ever did surface, I would actually be happy that all that heart break was BS, and not complete shit luck, and would never watch another game. I'm sure there are millions of fans who would never spend another dime on anything football, and would not be happy like me, but be pissed and never spend another penny.

Sounds like a good risk to take when your league would still make billions without rigging anything.

I'm not saying they don't try to manipulate with bias officiating.

I'm talking about the stupid idea that it's all a show and the players are in on it like you say..

That's the dumbest shit ever..

Well earned rep there fine Sir...

My Jags are on the Rise!.......to 6-10

Sure doesn't seem like it. I REALLY hope he isn't employed by CBS next year. Pereira is great on Fox, but Carey just needs to go.

Yes, but entertainment does not mean it is fixed. You may want to get a dictionary.

Here, I'll help:

en·ter·tain·ment
ˌen(t)ərˈtānmənt/
noun
the action of providing or being provided with amusement or enjoyment.
"everyone just sits in front of the TV for entertainment"
synonyms: amusement, pleasure, leisure, recreation, relaxation, fun, enjoyment, interest, diversion
"he reads for entertainment"

an event, performance, or activity designed to entertain others.
plural noun: entertainments
"a theatrical entertainment"
synonyms: show, performance, presentation, production, extravaganza, spectacle, pageant

"an entertainment for the emperor"
the action of receiving a guest or guests and providing them with food and drink.

Certainly any game watched by people provides enjoyment, meeting the definition, without necessitating fixing or cheating.

English - learn it.

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it also doesnt mean it's not fixed :hmmm:

they are calling it entertainment and the players are entertainers as they have said themselves.
Manning is the greatest QB ever ! also happens to be one hell of a ham on tv !
JJ Watt,best DE ever ! arent they lucky he's hilarious on tv ?

unpredictable outcomes where the less popular guy wins would be far less entertaining. Everyone loves the All American boy Manning and gets all warm and fuzzy when the good ol southern boy wins.

People that think that the NFL calling it entertainment is proof that it is fixed are STUPID. I've been an entertainer for 3 decades now, playing in bands. Real bands playing real music. Nothing fake, yet still entertainment.

Again, if you think the fact that the NFL is entertainment proves or even indicates that it is fake you are STUPID.

You seem nice.
Please read my above examples again. No one said calling it entertainment means it's fixed but people aren't entertained if they don't like the outcome. No one wants to see your band if the music sucks. I can safely guarantee that if these outcomes weren't fixed or manipulated one way or another,it would be no more popular than hockey with more various local than national interest

Personally... these games are controlled by the officials. I think the only players actually involved have been vetted..and are the very top superstars. Brady, Manning, Rodgers...shit, Brady owns a company the Patriots use for services. They have already met their goals...its about creating a dynasty and owning a team in the future....look at Jordan. It's why the owner's take so much time when fielding offers for a franchise...the "good old boys" club.

Actually several people have been saying that here on CP for a long time. Rabblerouser for example. This is a long standing discussion here on CP, noob.

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Vegas and the owners always win. The refs and players are pawns to the end result. The fans just get shit on.

Cam looks real upset about it...?

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Right, because no playoff games or Super Bowls have ever been blow outs. :rolleyes:

Explain Seattle winning? They sucked for decades. I don't think the league forced Tolbert to fumble or Cam to miss open receivers or Manning to turn it over twice.

I think the Broncos got incredibly lucky this year. No real injuries going into the playoffs, Pats blowing HFA, Steelers losing Brown and their 5th string RB fumbling the ball when all they had to do was not **** up, The best kicker in the game missing his only PAT in like 500 attempts.

"The harder I work, the luckier I get."

in between those things, Denver's defense played historically well against three of the best QBs in the game, and the offense didn't turn the ball over.

But sure. Luck. Whatever helps you girls sleep at night.

Info has come out over the years(I own three books on the subject) but c'mon what NFL fan really wants to believe it,I sure as hell don't because I love the game too much.

I do however read what I can on the subject and try and keep an open mind on what's being presented to me.Hell Tim Green a former Falcon and FOX analyst even wrote a book called The Dark Side Of The Game which has a chapter about the NFL and the mob and how every year the players have to sit through meetings of getting involved with the wrong people.

The best read of all though is INTERFERENCE:HOW ORGANIZED CRIME INFLUENCES PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL by Dan Moldea and in that book it's all about the money,the gambling and interestingly enough there's only one team that has a chapter solely dedicated to them and the name of that chapter is The Kansas City Shuffle.

Here's a recent video and if nothing else please listen to Olbermann for the first 30 seconds or so.

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Your response shows confusion as to what's being talked about.

ROFL

Maybe not huge but damn NFL you think you could have assigned someone that didn't live in Denver.

From Super Bowl 50 comes a strange postscript that could have become a major problem for the NFL. Via TheBigLead.com, the wife of the game’s replay assistant attended the game as a fan of the Broncos.

Jimmy Oldham reportedly is a Denver-area resident. His wife donned a Broncos jersey for the game and posted a celebratory video to a public Facebook page.

The NFL is full-on rigged...but that was just stupid.

Jerry Jones doesn't care because he makes money.

Some ex-players HAVE alluded to the game being rigged (from Bubba Smith on down to Terrell Suggs), but Sports pages are about the only thing that sells newspapers these days, and the NFL is a large part of that.

Why would a media conglomerate (like, say, ABC/ESPN/Disney/Time Warner) run an expose on its own cash cow?? They're in the business of MAKING money, lol

Its ****ing amazing, a bunch of gangsters start a football league with games to be played on Sundays...because horse betting is illegal on Sundays. When you realize why the NFL was started, who started it and what it was started with, the pieces fall together.

Perhaps you'd better start at the beginning...

I do occasionally wonder if the holding penalty on Dave Szott in the 1990 playoff vs. the Dolphins was riggage.

Amazing how just one questionable call can literally affect the outcome, isn't it?

Lenny D, talking to the Feds, right??
That's the chapter about Super Bowl IV and The Chiefs brass 'worried for days about what their Star QB would tell the FBI' and finally Lenny decided that he 'would tell them the truth'?? Right??

Why would there be any question among the Chiefs' brass? If everything was on the 'up and up', anyway...

Good stuff there.

You can say this, yet can't take it one step closer to the obvious and state that the NFL obviously uses this "biased officiating" in order to achieve a desired outcome??

ROFL

Once again blackop and rabble are right on the money

When you really get down to it, isn't it really naive of NFL fans to think that they run a completely fair game? I mean, it's a game...a game worth billions. And if the NFL can make more billions nudging some games in a different direction, do we think they won't? It's not like it would be against the law. When there is that much money at stake, rules will be bent to achieve the desired outcome.

Right on the "batshit crazy" money.

Shhhh,no one wants to hear a voice of reason on this topic.

There isn't enough tin foil in the world...

You are pissing on thousands of fat man-children's delusions with your logic.

Pffft, there's all the proof in the world that the NFL is not running a 'fair fight'; only an über-fanboi still clinging on to the last vestiges of his 12 year old self would even pretend that the NFL isn't rigged.

Why did the NFL want John Elway and Peyton Manning to go out on top and not Dan Marino and Jim Kelly? What did Marino and Kelly do to make the NFL hate them?

How in the world is this not a Pete thread?

Kelly jilted the league in favor of the USFL.

So did Steve Young and Reggie White.

The NFL isn't based out of Connecticut, and even if it was, the other stuff in your post is just made-up nonsense.

The NFL is based in Bristol? What, are they time-sharing with ESPN?

You know you ****ed up when cosmo and I agree you ****ed up...

The NFL was invented by the mob...that's a fact. As someone mentioned, it was created to circumvent gambling laws by playing on Sundays. Many of the original team owners/families have ties to the mafia.

It was intentionally structured as an "entertainment" enterprise...which is how the WWF operates also. It hasn't changed since it's inception. No other professional sport is legally arranged like this...it essentially makes it legal to fix outcomes. They are allowed to police themselves without public scrutiny...all discrepancies are handled internally.

They arent legally obligated to produce a fair product...and since the rise of internet gambling and the billions to make off it...only a fool would believe in the "integrity of the shield" PR horseshit. That's just ignorant people projecting their own morality on it. It has never had integrity, never...it cant be sued and has no full-time officiating crew..

It's a sweet set-up.

NFL Headquarters
345 Park Avenue
New York, New York 10154

Connecticut? WTF?




NFL League Office Locations

Seasons City State Address Commissioner(s)
1920 Canton OH ? Jim Thorpe (President)
1921-1922 Columbus OH 1285 East Long St. (Carr’s home) Joseph Carr (President)
1923-1926 Columbus OH 39 N. 22nd St. (Carr’s home) Joseph Carr (President)
1927-1938 Columbus OH 16 East Broad St. Joseph Carr (President)
1939-1940 Dayton OH Winters Bank Building (Main St.) Carl Storck (President)
1941-1945 Chicago IL 310 South Michigan Ave. Elmer Layden
1946 Philadelphia PA 37th St. and Woodland Ave. Bert Bell
1947-1956 Philadelphia PA 1518 Walnut St. Bert Bell
1957-1959 Bala Cynwyd PA 1 Bala Ave. Bert Bell
1960-1967 New York NY 1 Rockefeller Plaza Pete Rozelle
1968-1996 New York NY 410 Park Ave. Pete Rozelle / Paul Tagliabue
1997-2010 New York NY 280 Park Ave. Paul Tagliabue / Roger Goodell
2011 – New York NY 345 Park Ave. Roger Goodell

Excuse me, ESPN is out of Bristol.

Well, the one time the league WAS sued, the NFL'S own lawyers argued that people would still watch, even if they knew the games were fixed...and that the ticketholder's ticket entitled him to watch the Patriots play the Jets, nothing more; i.e. the ticket didn't entitle someone to an 'unrigged' matchup.

Exactly...it's all right there. A fan sued the NFL...and ruled they weren't legally obligated to produce a fair product.

If people dont want to acknowledge the above...it's only because they dont want to. The 32 teams arent separate business entities...they share profits. The bigger the audience..the more they all make.

When billions are at stake...to assume corruption isn't taking place is flat-out naive. It was designed to be corrupt from the start...

Not saying the mob wasn't involved but as I recall Mara was a bookmaker.

From The Wall Street Journal

The U.S. sports landscape doesn't have anything quite like the Mara clan. The Maras are a sprawling Irish-American family whose patriarch emerged from the gambling business to create a legendary sports franchise. His descendants have held onto it for nearly a century, winning championships in nearly every era.

Buffalo is way too small a market to win the Super Bowl, and I suspect that neither Kelly nor Marino was interested in owning a team in the long term.

Not what happened.

Well tell us then. You have to be completely naive to think the sport isn't shady.

JFC zip it homer.

Why even let them make the SB?? Or FOUR of them?

To be built up and fed to the NFC

Of course it's rigged. Every year they only let the best teams play it. Look for the pattern, man.

Why spend millions of dollars and man hours scouting for the draft?

You could have any team trade for any pick to get any player and then control whether he succeeds or not.

Why not make it the Jets and trade the NFL's smallest market for it's biggest??

Makes Total sense from a a financial perspective....smfh

Nah man, having recently watched "The Four Falls of Buffalo", its quite clear the Bills repeatedly ****ed themselves in every one of those super bowls... it had nothing to do with being rigged, IMO

The Buffalo thing is simple. Elway was blowing the script at the Super Bowls because he couldn't even win a rigged game without Terrell Davis. The NFL needed to deflect and bury the story of Elway's suckitude, so they needed a team failure that would bury his story. None of the league's preferred teams wanted to lose four straight Super Bowls, so they let Buffalo do it. It gave Buffalo a short-term leading role in the story line, which satisfied their market, and it satisfied the league's bigger goals.

They still have to produce a quality product that entertains...Just because it is rigged by a few... doesn't prevent them from creating the illusion of fair competition. It's what they sell...How many times do athletes say "it's a business". It gives them a platform to be rich and famous....and feed their athletic ego. Their job is to compete. The players dont call penalties at certain junctures in a game...the owners control the NFL, the selected officials and the commissioner...who is their front puppet/actor. It's his job to promote some sort of faux-integrity.

The NBA, soccer and now tennis have all been hit with cheating scandals...why? Because they arent listed as an entertainment entity. The NFL can settle their corruption allegations, internally, without facing any legal/media ramifications.

If it were as blatant as some of you seem to think... SOMEONE would rat, period

I'm giving you conspiracy loons the benefit of the doubt by thinking 90 percent of this shithouse rat craziness would go away if KC wins a Superbowl.

PERIOD!!

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Like that is ever going to happen.

Nope. Too much shady shit has happened to do that. Like little kids holding on to hope Hogan and Warrior were really duking it out.

Funny coming from you.....