Clearly. Because you have to keep moving the goalposts since you know that it's inevitable that he's going to be a playmaker. You only said a 20 yard pass. Then, after the bet, you said through the air. Now it has to be from the LOS. So now, if Alex drops 5 yards, throws a pass 19 yards past the LOS, and Hill takes it to the house, you still haven't lost. Nice. I should have expected that from you. If you really believed that he was so horrible, you wouldn't keep moving those goalposts. But whatever. Alex went deep several times on Sunday. It's just a matter of time until Hill gets one.

cool story bro LMAO

That's a really poor justification.

Garrett Grayson was a 2015 3rd round pick of the Saints and he was waived earlier this month.

No one claimed him and he's a street free agent. He's not even signed to a Practice Squad.

Being a 3rd round pick that's been waived within the first year is apropos of nothing.

I don't see us taking one in he 1st or 2nd, but 3rd or later I think is pretty much a guarantee.

I think it depends on how Gaines, Nelson, White and Acker perform in 2016.

If no one steps up opposite Peters, they'll need to make an early move.

If we're so deep that we can cut 3rd round picks don't they feel that they're good enough at that position? Honestly, I traveled the entire preseason and didn't get a chance to follow the Chiefs this year, but I know you know your shit well enough to take your word on Russell. That said, if they were in the market was Russell really THAT bad?

Just depends on who is available. If a guy falls to them in the 1st, I would assume they'll draft him.

That's Dorsey's MO so far.

Good point. If one of those guys aren't quality by the end of the year, it'll be a HIGH priority come draft time next year.

It just means he's the 54th best player they can get, and obviously don't believe he's ever gonna be much more than that.

Russell was invisible during the preseason, save for one play. He was out there with the 3's and 4's all throughout and never flashed.

Clearly, Dave Toub had no interest in keeping him for Special Teams.

I made the observation, which can be found in Preseason thread (I *think*) that if the NFL was a "true* meritocracy, Russell would be cut. Many people disagreed, stating that "he was a 3rd rounder and teams don't cut those guys" or that his "upside" was really high, etc. and so on.

I didn't see him contributing in 2016 and just a few short weeks later, I guess the Chiefs agreed.

Oh, and as to "depth", I think they're still lacking depth but realized that Russell wasn't going to be the answer.

Had it not been for the fact that Dezmon Moses contract would have been guaranteed if he was on the roster Week 1, I think it's likely that Russell would have been waived on September 3rd.

I feel really good about Gaines. He was flying around and looked much more physical than he did in his first two years.

Sorry if Q, but 610 radio just had Matt Miller from Bleacher Report on. He said he had talked to several of his Chiefs contacts as to what might've happened to hasten Russell's release. No one said it was anything specific (like an off field issue). Generally, the take was that he was a bit of a knucklehead who talked way to much for a rookie. Got the impression that the guy thought he was God's gift and wasn't afraid to share that with anyone/everyone. Just didn't fit in. FWIW.

Gaines just needs to prove he can stay healthy for 16 games

Looks to me like Russell knew it was coming 2 days ago...



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Yep. And I was one of the ones disagreeing with you. I never felt that he earned his spot. But I just couldn't believe that they would move on from a 3rd round pick so quickly. Kudos. You was right. I was wrong.

A team would be stupid not to pick up this kid on waivers. I highly doubt he goes through waivers unless he did something truly terrible.

He's a 3rd rd pick with solid coverage ability and top shelf athleticism. A team will take that all day.

Who cares if he was slow to learn the playbook? He's a rookie. Marcus Cooper was someone we took off waivers who never played a game at corner. Someone will take the chance on him, mostly bc of of what that athleticism and also the fact that he's cheap as hell.

Matt Miller also said this guy would start opposite of Peters this year.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...e81673707.html

The Chiefs finally signed third-round pick KeiVarae Russell on Friday, according to the NFL’s transaction wire, which means the team now has all nine of its 2016 draft picks under contract.

Though he has not had a contract, Russell has not missed any of the Chiefs’ offseason practices. He participated in all three rookie camp practices and all six voluntary full-team practices that have been held. Practices continue next week.

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This article directly contradicts the myth that Russell missed time in the offseason, thus setting him back in terms of the defense and terminology.

Which once again, proves that what I said about Russell after Terez Paylor's in depth interview, was spot on (which was, of course, argued).

Also, if true, we won't be seeing him back on the Practice Squad

If that's the case it's good Dorsey is keeping the locker room cleaned up. Team first.

Somebody posted this on another (general) board. Goes perfectly with the report from Miller. Did Pest or anybody watch this?

Weird....didn't hear any of that at ND. He was pretty vocal about his suspension though. Oh well.....act like a dipshit....get cut like a dipshit.

I didn't get a chance to watch it, no.

Correct, Miller acknowledged that he really like Russell going into the draft. I guess that's why he was trying to find out what happened. He said when you come out liking a guy, and he gets cut, other draft analysts and scouts let you have it. He indicated that after talking to more of those guys, he might have a better idea of what happened with Russell.

Yeah, Dane, looks like you nailed this one! Nice take!!!

unless he takes the opportunity to humble from that (if accurate), you are probably right, take the hit, cut bait, and move on

Oh man, combine that with this trade...

Bears receive:
» 2016 first-round pick (No. 9): Leonard Floyd

Buccaneers receive:
» 2016 first-round pick (No. 11): Vernon Hargreaves
» 2016 fourth-round pick (No. 106): Traded to Chiefs

So tampa traded back 2 spots in the 1st, out of the top10 for cryin out loud, so they could move up 15 spots into the late 2nd to take a K. when they likely could have had they K @74 anyway and profitted pick #106.

I'll give Dane credit for calling it. I won't be sucking his dick like Billay though.

I remain flabbergasted... A player at a skill position running his mouth? Imagine that. Kid had talent coming out of college and was a third round pick. There's more to this story than a guy running his mouth, unless he was running his mouth directly at the coaching staff on the daily.

On a team that is probably one of the most player friendly teams with one of the most player friendly coaching staffs in the league, gotta be something more.

Maybe he got caught in the hotel with a room full of hookers and blow, who knows.

Gaines isn't terrible, Nelson hasn't played a ton, Acker is new for us but had 3 INTs last season for SF.

He was pretty vocal during his suspension at ND. If he felt that his place on the depth chart with the Chiefs was bullshit....then I could see him being vocal about that as well.

He mentioned this also, that he thought Russel would be starting by the end of the season.

Just listened to Miller's interview. He apparently ran his mouth to the leaders of the team like he was hot shit and they didn't like it at all.

Russell...you ****ing idiot. :facepalm:

Sometimes you just have to clean out the bad apple.

Guess we know what the team is going to be drafting next year (unless Gaines continues to show well and the other young guys come along nicely).

The magnificent 7 agree.

He'll become a Bronco, eventually replace Talib for peanuts and be an All-Pro.

But you could see what some really good pussy tastes like. You should reconsider.

Stick to gifs and videos because your football acumen is worse than Walter Football.

Nah, he'll want to play a big role. Will probably sign on a crappy team somewhere that he can get early snaps.

ROFL

All teams have misses on high draft picks.

Packers cut 2nd rd pick Jerel Worthy and 3rd rd pick Khyri Thornton.
Pats got rid of 1st rd pick Dominique Easely.
Broncos 2nd rd pick Montee Ball is in freaking jail and their other 2nd rd pick Cody Latimer is a ST's player doing nothing on offense.
Steelers cut 3rd rd pick Sean Spence

People are obliterating Dorsey on radio. My god.

I hate derailing a thread on the basis of Clay, but he's not wrong on Ehinger just yet IMO. The guy hasn't looked very good. I openly bashed the pick when it was made, citing that strength would be a huge issue for him and it is. Ehinger is one of those 3-year evaluations though. Like LDT and Fisher, he's going to need a couple years in the weight room before we know for sure. My problem is, he's starting right now and he is the weak link on the O-line.

As for Tyreek Hill, we'll have to just see how he progresses through the season. Speed isn't everything in the NFL. I've never had high hopes for any receiver under 5'10" and statistics back up that they are seldom successful.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...101759062.html

“Listen, it happens,” Reid said, when asked how difficult it is to move on from such a high pick this early. “I don’t sweat over it either way. I mean, it happened. We’re going to be okay.”

Part of the reason Reid said that is the promising play of White, the rookie cornerback who was taken three rounds after Russell but flashed in the preseason. During his lone play Sunday, White read a screen and drilled the receiver, Travis Benjamin, for a 2-yard loss.

“Twenty-four (D.J. White), he’s been playing pretty good, so that’s a positive thing,” Reid said. “Every one of those (picks), they kind of balance out and you go from there.”

Reid reiterated that while it obviously did not work out with Russell, there are no hard feelings from team’s point-of-view, and even left the door open for a return. As a rookie, the 22-year-old will be eligible for the practice squad if he clears waivers.

“I wish him the best of luck,” Reid said of Russell. “I mean, he’s a good kid. And you know never know. In this business, he could be back here. So we’ll see.”

I would be ok with humbling his ass by putting him on the practice squad. I wouldn't be hurt if he wasn't brought back though.

Clay being Clay :facepalm: just ****ing discuss football and not troll. If ya want to troll, go to ****ing Twitter clown.

While we're giving rep out, props to kccrow for calling his guy DJ White. He hyped him up a lot before the draft and White is clearly a guy who looks like he could be a nice player.

I like our 4 young corners of Peters, Gaines, Nelson and White. Don't draft a CB in the first 3 rds. Use those picks on QB, OLB and WR.

You'd be ecstatic, doing cartwheels, humming "Victory March."

Were any of those players cut in Week 1 of their rookie seasons, or were they given a shot and then cut?

Thanks for taking my call, I'll hang up and listen.

Chiefs threw numbers at the cb position. Russell is simply the odd man out thanks to the trade for Acker and DJ White earning his active roster spot. I'm glad the Chiefs made the decision based on what they saw on the field rather than their draft position. I see this more as an indication of how much DJ White has pleasantly surprised and confidence in Gaines health than Russell being a terrible player.

Ehinger is a 4th round rookie that's been given a chance to start at left guard and grow into the position. He's played one professional game and while he needs to increase his strength, it's better that he gain experience than to sit on the bench.


Steve Smith, Wes Welker and countless other slot receivers disagree

Hopefully we are trading for Sean Smith.

You're extremely butthurt over this. We have 4 talented young corners. Just pretend White was the 3rd round pick, and Russell was the 6th rounder. Who cares what round anybody was drafted in at this point? It's over. Our rookie class is still very promising even after cutting our 3rd rounder. Has Dorsey not earned the benefit of the doubt?

Teams don't cut "good players" after drafting them in the 3rd round of their rookie season.

Russell clearly stated he was having problems with the terminology and playbook, to which Andy Reid confirmed today, along with the reports of an oversized ego.

It would have been nice to see him become an effective player for the Chiefs but now that he's cut, I couldn't give a **** about him.

I think Dorsey knows what he's doing. Yeah, Dee Ford was a questionable first round pick, but for the most part, Dorsey's been pretty damn good on talent evaluation. Thank God we're not picking up candy wrappers for Fat Scott any longer!

Hell Antonio Brown, the best receiver in the league is only 5'10". OBJ is only an inch taller.

Gaines and Nelson both had a better first game than Smith.

Remember the Cowboys draft board leak? They had Russell as a 3rd rd player. I bet they would take him.

They are 4th of the waiver wire.

DJ White is one of the few young guy in our secondary that has shown flashes.

Not counting Peters of course, who is still young.

Nelson might be competent but haven't seen anything other than JAG stuff.

White has made some pretty decent plays that looks like he might be a starting guy.

White has done stupid stuff as well but he has a chance.

Thus the word "seldom." You've just named 2 of about 10 in the NFL under 5'10".

Yep, but we know Smith, and he knows our system.

8 posts out of 380 is "extremely butthurt"?

Ok, noob.

I do, however, find it comical that the same people that are defending Dorsey here and calling Russel; trash are the same ones that defend players like Dee Ford, Ehinger, etc and say "they need time" or they are "growing into the position."

It's a complete waste of draft capital to just walk away after a week, but then again, I'm arguing with someone who thinks DAT has value on this team when Hill does the same thing and does it better.

This place never disappoints.

Yea if Hill doesn't pan out it's not going to be because he's an inch too short. The guy has a 40 1/2 inch vert, and is solid as ****. LMAO

I mean, we're talking about the same guy that didn't even have Henry in his top 5 or 10 RB's.

This. The linebacking corp is in dire need of help.

Oakland structured that deal in a way that makes bringing him back fairly unpalatable.

His contract isn't signing bonus heavy; it has a fair amount of roster bonus and guaranteed salary in there. So if you deal for him, you take on the bulk of that contract (whereas if it were signing bonus heavy, that money would end up on Oakland's cap, not ours).

I'm not saying he's good, but he may not be trash either. After Sundays game they made a decision to exchange an additional pass rusher over CB. Chiefs apparently saw more potential and immediate help in Nelson, Gaines, Acker and White.

From what he's shown in preseason he's PS material right now. Any team that claims him will be eating an active roster spot for someone that probably won't hit the field this year. Nothing like an Irving situation where he looked like he could contribute for someone right away, and did.

And as mentioned, Antonio Brown is 5'10 and possibly the best WR in NFL.

Golden Tate, Jamison Crowder, Julian Edelman on and on and on.

I clearly said I wasn't happy about it, but I also have perspective and I'm not really that concerned. I also would've probably cut DAT or Davis. I would've said those same things about Russell if he were still on the team and struggling in the future.

Problem is, I don't know what went on behind the scenes, nor do you. So there might be more to the story (like what Miller said), and I'm willing to give Dorsey the benefit of the doubt. DJ White was a player a lot of people had as a day 2 pick, and he's looked like one so far. So again, why is it a big deal?

Sure. But there is not upside to him. Gaines, Nelson, and the other young CBs have plenty of upside. Plus Smith was just torched by the Saints and benched. (Granted, Cooks will torch many CBs in this league before he's done.)

:Lin:

As long as a WR is strong and skilled enough to get off the press, height doesn't really matter much.

High-pointing the ball is an asset but a specialized one.

Lots 5'10" and over, that's the benchmark height. I said under. :) Under 5'10" there are very few in the history of the league to do extremely well. Under 5'10", right now, not many. TY Hilton, Edelman, Smith are a few.

If you're the Browns or Rams or a whole slew of other teams that aren't going to play .500 football this year, you don't give any ****s about who your gameday inactives are.

He should be claimed unless his attitude is absolutely poison.

What have you seen from Russell that leads you to believe that he's anything other than a wasted roster spot?

Good grief, man, just stop.

Steve Smith was a monster in Carolina, Golden Tate's been a 1,000 yard receiver, Antonio Brown is lights out and on and on and on.

You're wrong. Give up.

The fact that an inch can be the difference between you believing/not believing in a WR, and you're willing to ignore the vertical, good size, and other traits because of it, makes your opinion pretty worthless IMO.

You're basically saying you also would've never touched any of those guys that HAVE made it for that ridiculous inch. You realize that, right?

Go look at history. I didn't say I don't believe in him. Give me the top 100 receivers under 5'10" to ever go for ... oh lets say 750 yards in a season.