Thus lies my problem.

Call it.
Don't call it.

Just be ****ing consistent, and don't have the gall to tell me all those other calls were innocently missed but on the biggest play of the game they finally spotted it.

It's insulting.

Was the flag even thrown before Travis made the catch? I still never saw the flag, just the notification at the bottom after they converted the 2 point try.


Going forward, I am done with financially contributing to the NFL. It's not a criticism of this team. I actually like this team. But I'm not going to invest as much time or emotion, and ZERO money to a joke league run by Roger & his stooges. I can get by with being a casual fan who can check in on how the Chiefs are doing, but I'll expect zero postseason success absent KC somehow lands the best QB in the NFL & the league office is forced to suck off the Chiefs & their poster boy star QB. Then, the rest is just gravy.

It's certainly one of the great questions surrounding the NFL's image. I'm sure the NFL doesn't care because these terrible acts are being inflicted on a team the NFL's front office doesn't care too much about. Basically we're a filler team for the NFL, we're there to support the stars, but we need to be careful, stay in the shadows and don't ever walk into the favored team's spotlight.

Hey, Hunt gets paid $88M for playing that part! He's a ****ing pussy-ass coward Texan!

cdcox is not exaggerating.

That's the thing that's so frustrating. It's not getting a penalty call on the play that ties the game. It's getting a penalty call on a situation that we've seen go uncalled consistently for years.

NFL makes all officials sign a gag order....they cant talk to anyone. Coaches cant question officiating for fear of getting fined. NFL handles all issues internally...away from media.

They can do what ever they want...when ever they want. They answer to no one. It's a total monopoly of oversight...which has become more overt since Goodell's promise to increase profits by over 200%.

It's a junk sport....corrupt.

That's why Hunt should quit being the cuck pussy he is and tell them that he might break with tradition, and if they fine him he won't pay, and he has lawyers too. And if they choose to bring it to court, he'll do his level best to bring into evidence what started the track to the fine. Him speaking out publicly could be litigated as his right to free speech. He'll lose, but it would be fun watching all the evidence and testimony. Could you imagine a judge asking Cheffers to testify how those other calls were missed?

I know it won't happen, but it's a more plausible dream that either Hunt defending the team's/city's honor, or the Chiefs ever being allowed into a AFCCG or SB.

Hunt is a ****! I can only hope his kids roll away from the tree and pollinate some balls!

Wondering if Amnorix will ever reply to my reply to him...

The real issue is profit sharing...there is less incentive for small market teams...or small cities without "star power" to do well. It costs every owner money if Detroit or KC does well in the play-offs.

Cleveland gets the same amount at Dallas...Owners arent going to fire themselves for a poor product. They are making $220+ million just in advertising/TV a year even if they go 1-15.

They are paying Goodell over $100,000 a day...and it sure as shit isn't for putting a fair product on the field...it about finding new avenues to extract profit. If that means only star-named, marketable QB's go the the SB...so be it. Everyone enjoy all the extras commercials this year? NFL knows it made the viewing experience suck...but they didn't care. Small no-name teams in the SB wont build their "brand" internationally.

Goodell vowed to increase profit by 150% over the next 10 years...to 25 billion annually. KC/Detroit SB wont get them there...this is more McDonalds that sport. It's about having the most consumers possible...quality is secondary.

The NFL sure is happy that all this truth is being shouted in a sound-proof server in KC. Now, they've done a good job being able to control the strings that keep relevant issues from being widely discussed, but they suck just the same for being assholes. And Hunt's the worst of the lot. I hope Karma shoves a phone pole up his ass and leaves him there on display. ****ing asshole Texan!

They created their own freaking network and filled with "yes men"...so if topics get hot, they defuse it with ex-coaches/players and talking heads, who are all on the dole. Their narrative is delivered from the producer in pre-production. They are not going to kill (expose) their golden goose. It's just a modeled, small-scale version on how the government handles it's propaganda. If Vegas needs a swing in betting...shift the talk.

It's amazing how someone on TV is assumed to be truthful and more knowledgeable than their own common sense/internal compass..."appeal to authority" is a real trait. To hear people rationalize what just happened to their team by bringing up other factors...like "well if they played better before the hold". No...the game was were it was at...about to be tied and a ref dictated the outcome.

The reason everyone feels cheated and is looking for answers..is because they were.

It had an eery similarity to the Cardinals game 2 seasons ago...they were about to go up 2 scores. Ref rated until a TD was made then threw a late flag for offensive PI. KC players were already headed to the sidelines before they realized there was a flag.

Everyone's clamoring for a top QB prospect...and its justified. If it's a name people in China can remember...it wont matter even if you are the 32nd rated QB. The NFL needs WWF extremes...and Smith is it's whipping boy. They have framed him as a total failure with their narratives...but has the 3rd best winning percentage over the past half-decade. It would be higher if they didn't screw KC at crucial times. Is what it is...he has his role.

The sad thing is..unless you have a QB that can move Pepsi and pizza, you arent winning anything. It's NFL Inc...Goodell's 25 billion dollar masturbatory extortion nightmare.

It be great if random games started having aerial signs flyover games or skywrite "The NFL is fixed"

Hell put it on a tshirt or sign and try to get on TV with it.

Hell, start a twitter account and screen cap play after shady play - call or no call with #NFLfake eventually it would gain enough traction that people would Hashtag and post their own examples and be a mountain of proof of how shitty and shady it is.

A PR nightmare might be about the only thing that Roger would sit up and take notice of it then. No different than the concussion scandal or domestic violence blowups.


Why do you think they've made the catch rule impossibly vague. So they can decide if they want to call it a catch or not whenever it suits them and the rules are so arcane it holds up regardless of how they rule it.

San Fran got ****ed a million times against Seattle and nothing came of it. This is how it's going to be.

If that conspiracy had any truth to it, then wouldn't the refs have helped Dallas win last Sunday?

There is no greater NFL media darling than Dallas, yet the refs threw a drive stalling flag on them that may have been the difference in that game.

Look who's in the final four:

Brady
Roethlisberger
Rogers
Ryan

Those are arguably the best four quarterbacks in the league. The real bummer about the NFL isn't inconsistent refereeing, it's the fact that without a great quarterback, or a quarterback having a great year, it's almost hopeless.

There are occasional exceptions like last year's Donks, but just like the 2000 Ravens, teams that win Super Bowls almost solely on the strength of their defense are one-year wonders because players get injured or poached.

The fact is this: few teams without a great quarterback are going to amount to anything in any given season. Some day someone will come up with a way to play offense in the NFL without a great QB, but not this year.

On the 2 point play, BOTH OLBs for Pittsburgh went to the ground. The other OLB was barely touched.

They flopped to try to increase their chances of getting the call and it worked.

The refs helped...of course.

Impressive list. You sure you couldn't come up with one for Pittsburgh too, if you tried?


So I find it really hard to believe in any kind of grand conspiracy theory when it comes to the NFL, or any of the other professional leagues. Is it possible a ref here or there is owned by the mob or whatever? Sure. Could a player be involved in point shaving in some pro sport? Sure. But NFL HQ pulling strings so certain teams advance and certain ones don't? Can't buy it. Why?

1. You'd have to believe that the NFL is willing to risk EVERYTHING to do it, because if a handful of refs get together and decide to write a tell all book, either to make a zillion dollars or just because they're pissed for some reason, the league is done. DONE. If the masses think the NFL or any other pro league is the WWE, as you say, then the league will lose billions.

Why take that chance? To get ratings slightly higher? The risk/reward profile isn't there.

2. If what you say is true, then why the F has Dallas not even BEEN to a Super Bowl in 20 years?

3. If what you say is true, then even the owners, who the NFL technically works for, are certainly in the dark. Unless you think guys like Ralph Wilson would be fine with never winning a Super Bowl. In that case, the NFL, whose salaries, etc. are paid for by the owners, are betraying the very people they work for. That seems beyond far-fetched.

4. When it comes to refs "****ing the Chiefs over", you probably know but I'll say it anyway -- EVERY team feels EXACTLY the same about the refs. You think Pats fans don't complain about them? They do, EVERY ****ing time the Pats lose. Becuase the Pats don't win so damn much there is less complaining, but when they lose, look out.

Meh, if you really believe, then stop watching. It's all I can say. Believe what you want.

Yeah, I'm sure fellas like Ralph Wilson and Jimmy Haslam are all "Sure, you guys go ahead and rig the system for those specific teams, and we'll just hang out in the dumpster out back. It's cool."

It's like the conspiracy nuts don't even consider the feasibility of it at all.

And this is exactly the problem with most conspiracy nuts. You can always paint an ugly picture with a few isolated details of some damn thing happening, but to get a true conspiracy of this magnitude is basically impossible.

If you want to argue that Ref X is crooked, then sure. One guy can go bad. A VERY small group of guys can go bad. But for the entire NFL to fix games is ridiculous.

Hell, the NFL locked out the refs in 2012. If the Refs were getting paid off or whatever to fix games, then the refs ****ing OWN the NFL. "Pay or we'll blow the ****ing lid off" is what they'd say. Instead they got locked out while replacement refs came in, blah, blah, blah.

How did erasing 2 points effect the point spread of the betting world

I don't recall if Pitt was a 1 point favorite or what

Here's a good one -- Chicago is the THIRD largest market in teh country. NY, LA then Chicago.

And the Bears have done shit-all for 30 years. One SB appearance in all that time, and mostly just suckitude.

Philadelphia is the 5th largest market in the country, and the Eagles have done shit-all like EVER. Went to two SBs in teh SB era that I can think of off the top of my head and lost both.

Oakland has a huge fan following which is regionally much larger than just the city of Oakland, but has done jack-all for like 30 years. The Raiders did make it to one Super Bowl -- 2002 -- which was barely a year after the NFL won a lawsuit against the Raiders. If the NFL was fixed, you can bet Al Davis's team would never have seen any Super Bowls.

Remember the holding call on the game tying FG against Denver in 1997? The replay showed no hold at all.

2 playoff games lost when the tying points were removed by a hold. 1 non existent and 1 highly questionable as Harrison slipped helping create the visual.

Bizzare. :hmmm:

3, Szott holding when Okoye rumbled well within FG range against Miami.

The NFL is going the way of NASCAR. Their only motivation is money and they refuse to see what their greed is doing to their product. Attendance and TV ratings are dropping every year as the fans are realizing that it's just entertainment more than an actual sport. They think that making it an International sport is the answer to their low ratings in the U.S. They are so out of touch with the average fan. They deserve to be replaced and go the way of the dinosaur. Just another example of corporate greed destroying a good product.

Jesus **** Asterix is a piece of shit

A clueless coward chode whose self worth is tied to a team that needs to blatantly cheat to win

That is true about Nascar kingpin. I can hardly watch it anymore, but do always have a Daytona party. The chase has ruined it.

Why? Because his explanation doesn't align with your confirmation bias? Nothing he said was incorrect.

Many years of posting leads to that conclusion...and yeah his explanation was complete garbage. The Chiefs got ****ed plain and simple. The game was called a certain way the ENTIRE game toll that play as evidenced by Glorys posts. Then on Pitts game clinching 3rd down they IGNORE A BLATANT hold.

The league as lost all credibility. When games are decided by officials picking and choosing WHEN a penalty is a penalty, any game result is COMPLETELY irrelevant. It's selective enforcement tied to whom the players and ownership of said teams are.

Clueless? Not usually.

Coward? Err....no clue what supports that. Not like I served in the military or anything, but I've never backed down from a "fight" around here (not that internet fights are proof of bravery).

"self-worth is tied to a team that needs to blatantly cheat to win". I'm married, have a job and two great kids. I liked my life back when my team sucked and were the "Patsies" and I will like my life after the current golden years end and the Pats go back to mediocrity. Just like my happiness wasn't tied to the Larry Bird golden years for the Celtics, I'll survive watching the Patriots crumble. Indeed, I fully expect it, as the worm always turns, and that allows me to enjoy this all the more.

Younger Pats fans can't appreciate a great team really. It's win teh Super Bowl or "they suck". Far from it. Enjoy this while we have it, because it can't possibly last.


But you go on being the bitter psycho that you are. Whatever floats your dinghy.

Why would Pats fans hate Goodell???? He gave them a slap on the wrist for what they did. An absolute joke of a punishment.

Then why do you watch at all? Why care?

You cried and stomped your feet over a name change ROFL

Why should i care? The results are meaningless when games are decided by selective enforcement and grey rules.

His explanation was garbage? Why exactly? You never provided anything to support that other than calling him names and relying on your "Many years of posting."

It was a clear holding call. The Chiefs were being dominated in just about every phase of the game. Pointing to one penalty call, which was a valid call regardless of your opinions on the timing of it, is just sour grapes. You could review any NFL game any week, and find many blatant penalties that were missed, along with many called penalties that were borderline. That's just how the NFL is. Holding up one play where a penalty was missed isn't proof of anything.

Regardless, his points about how unfeasible an actual NFL conspiracy would be are valid and you really can't deny it. A league-wide NFL conspiracy is just ridiculous.

I think "meatball" refers to your gray matter. When you can't keep up in a discussion you find some irrelevant thing to throw out there as if it matters even a little bit.

They didn't call the hold because of the arm bar.
That is ignored all the time.

The hold was called because Fisher put his hand on Harrison's back, while still maintaining the arm bar as he was going to the ground, and that call will be made every damn time.

I keep hearing the argument that the call shouldn't have been made "At that time," with the game on the line. That they should have just let them play because it was such an important play. This has been stated here and on 810 for the last 3 days. I don't really get that at all. Going down that road is essentially asking for officiating to be based on specific scenarios and dependent on game momentum. For important plays to be officiated at a lesser level because of the importance. That sounds like a nightmare, and I can't understand why anyone would think that's a good idea. I'm all for more consistency in officiating. But let's be realistic...

Why wasn't the hold called on Pitts final 3rd down attempt. But.... Keep ignoring that Fish. Why was Kelce mugged and no call?? The pictures are there and it's pretty criminal those were no calls. Nothing was CONSISTENT. Selective enforcement.

Myself, Glory, and several others have already proven you wrong time and time again. No reason to beat a dead horse.

Or the holding in the EZ right before our last drive would have given the 2pts with a safety, freeing us to take a lead with a PAT?

I don't doubt there was a hold on Pitt's final 3rd down attempt, but does anybody have a video or picture of it?

**** the National **** League

Exactly. Imagine an ump having a tight zone the entire night only to ring Gordon up looking on a 3-2 fastball 6 inches off the plate in the bottom of the 9th in a 1 run game. Bases loaded after calling nothing off the black the entire night.

It was a hold. It sucks they didn't call it consistently earlier in the game against KC. Fisher should be able to block a 38 year old lineman at the end of the game. KC blew many opportunities - dropped balls, inability to stop Bell, looking over wrong shoulder, QB with happy feet, no pass rush, poor playcalling most of the game, etc. It was a team loss by a team that didn't really want it.

Because refs aren't perfect and penalties are missed in every game for both teams. I agree that it's not as consistent as we'd like. But there's quite a gap from that observation to claiming the entire NFL is rigged or that calls purposely went against the Chiefs.

The Fisher call was by the rule a correct and fair call. No arguments. It doesn't explain why the hold in the EZ or the hold on third down went uncalled though. The standard wasn't set for what a hold was for this game. If you let em play, you let em play.There is also quite a gap between outright rigged and selective enforcement. Neither lead to a true competitive environment however.

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watch that, it's weird.

Blackop??

Yeah, and it also doesn't explain why the Chiefs got away with several other blatant holds and blocks in the back that went uncalled. Again, pointing to the result of an individual play is meaningless. Inconsistency is to be expected when you have a handful of refs watching 22 prime athletes slamming into each other at full speed.

What the fuuuu?

When plays go ignored in key moments in a game often decided by one play, it's a pretty big deal when they miss that 1 (or in this case 4 or 5) key calls on one team. The visitors to boot . Selective enforcement

It kinda makes sense when you listen to it...

This game was not decided by one play. That's an endless rabbit hole. You could single out many dozens of plays that you could technically label as the same if we're playing that Whack-a-mole game. Selective bias.

No. No, it doesn't. At all..

It's quite interesting how the same numbers come up all the time...he has a bunch of videos detailing the stuff.

I think you just made his point for him. Yeah, sure, you could find the Chiefs holding the steelers if you looked at that. Point is, it wasn't called all game. They were letting them play all game, as is evident from the pics he showed you. When you swallow the whistle all game, you don't bring it out on the most crucial play of the game at the end. Not sure if it's a conspiracy or not, but it's a bush league call for sure.

GEMATRIA
 

This guy Zach has been doing this stuff for a while. But his predictions for this years Super Bowl contestants didn't come true and he has admitted it. But it is interesting to watch his videos regarding his take on how the NFL is totally rigged. Alex Jones has also made a reference to the NFL being rigged. I think AJ said it says so in so many words on the backside of a hard ticket.:(

Gematria is worthless number salad bullshit. Finding meaning in the playoff QBs birthdays and jersey numbers and such, and making prophetic claims? LMAO..... come on.......

5 pages? What's the discussion?

Our POS $60 million LT got his ass beat, as per usual, and held. End of story really.

Eric Fisher. Alex Whiff. My goodness gracious man.

LOLCHIEFS

I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist and generally think it's just one of those things where the refs are inconsistent rather than any secret plan to put the Steelers in the championship game.

The inconsistency is definitely something that is wearing on my enthusiasm as a fan, though. Games shouldn't be decided on judgement calls.

It wouldn't have mattered anyway. Even if we were allowed to tie it, Rapistburger would have thrown a 60 yard bomb to Brown, they'd get a DPI on Mitchell, and Pitts dude kicks his seventh field goal with :01 left. Would you have liked that ending better?

Liked? No. But it would have put the blame squarely on the defense's shoulders (with no help from the offense, admittedly) rather than having us wonder "what if...".

Nope we had momentum and Berry or Peters was about to house one.

Well they had 2 chances on the last Pitt drive. Maybe take a chance and key on Brown?

Or we can just let 80% Houston cover him 1-1. Seems like a solid plan.

Those coverages banked on the pass rush hitting home...which was negated by blatant Pitt holds. Ben had ALL day on those two plays ( gee I wonder why)

Defeatist attitude. If we didn't miss tackling the QB that play would have worked. We took a risk with a blitz and it didn't work out. :shrug:

I asked you to defend those non-calls, not opine on the likelihood of any conspiracy, conspiracy techniques, or their risks. If you support the notion that there's no conspiracy, and that's fine, then at least explain how NFL-level officials missed that Kelce DPI. Make some sort of excuse for them, but there's no way they all could have missed that DPI and should still be wearing any zebra stripes! It happened in the middle of the field, there should be at least two officials in position. They are either blind, held their flag, shit on Kelce for being Kelce, but what else could it be?

This is true.

None of this matters relative to a selective call in a game that's not rigged.

Bullshit! They seem to do just fine when some of those 22 prime athletes are the favored athlete.

I wonder if every fan base has the wackadoo contingent screaming about shit being rigged when their team (that played like shit in all phases) loses a chance to move on in the playoffs. The Chiefs in reality should have been up by ten with 2 minutes to go. If you keep Bell, Brown and Ben out of the end zone for an entire game, you should win. Alex and the boys made absolutely nothing happen from the middle of the first quarter to the middle of the 4th. As inconsistent as the call may have been, it didn't cost us the game. Inept offense, only forcing one punt and having our big three recievers not rack up over a 120 yards combined was the deciding trifecta.

What's funny is the fact posters here pointed out the offense spent 50% of practically every game being awful but were bitched at for complaining about not getting enough fantasy points.



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Among the Broncos fans I associate with, I wouldn't say they gripe about games being rigged per se, but they definitely feel like the NFL is set up to benefit the Patriots and that the refs are biased against the Broncos.

I think the reality is that pretty much all NFL fans feel like their team is awful and that the league hates them except for a select few.

Since that play was a 2-point conversion to tie the game with less than 3 minutes to play, it is clear that the call was not like a penalty called or not called on any other play.

Harrison was completely gassed at the end of the game. He had a chance to tackle Spencer Ware on the TD and he was stuck in the mud and never threatened to tackle Ware.

The NFL now allows OL and DBs to use their hands a lot more than they used to. When I watch the replay, I see that James Harrison never got leverage and he fell to the ground when his foot slid on the ground. Harrison may even have took a dive.

It should not have been called a penalty. All this conspiracy stuff seems silly, I think you just have a referee who called a penalty because he was duped by Harrison or he could not tell that Harrison fell because he lost traction.

I would like to know if the umpire also threw a flag. I suppose he was situated on that side of the line. I thought the umpire looked for holding and the referee looked to protect the QB.

I think the NFL is going to have a flopping problem, because they are creating a situation where the honest competitor on defense is going to get his jersey grabbed and no penalty will ever be called as long as he tries his best to fight off the block, but the artful DL can fall as if they were tackled and a penalty can be called.

I would have liked to see how the game would have turned out if Carl Cheffers would have made the call in accordance with the current NFL official training. You can bet that there is nothing in their training that says holding is to be called when a pass rusher falls because his feet lose traction and slide. OL are allowed to use an arm bar across the chest on an outside pass rusher.

Anyway, it was kind of rotten to make that call when the Steelers OL spent the game with the two hands up in the air post-block "I am innocent" pose, that is an admission that jersey was grabbed.

I wish the Chiefs would have made a stop on third and 3 at the 2 minute warning. And there were other plays that affected the outcome that were good plays by the Steelers and bad plays by the Chiefs.

But objectively speaking, it was a bad call. James Harrison knows he would not have complained if it had not been called, and Carl Cheffers would probably admit that he would not have called it if he saw Harrison's foot lose traction.

It could have been an all-time great NFL playoff game if it was 18-18 with Chiefs kicking off to Steelers at 2:39.

Some still frames...

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You can clearly see that Fisher has one arm under Harrison's neck, and the other arm around his back. That arm around the back is what drew the flag.

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At this point, Fisher is mostly behind Harrison, while maintaining the arm around the neck. He's completely lost positioning, and looks to be partly to blame for why Harrison slipped. This still frame looks pretty convincing.

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Then Fisher basically jumps on him and tries to stick his dick in Harrison's ear hole.

That's gonna get called a large majority of the time.

You're letting facts get in the way of a good, old-fashioned conspiracy theory. Stop it.

Here's a better angle. Clearly HARRISON isn't being held in this shot!

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Wait, wrong shot, here you go:

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Goddammit, that was the wrong one too! Here you go!

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And "hands around" mattering must have been made-up just after this play!

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Now go on about how the two aren't the same, it was a bang-bang play, or they knew Kelce was going to be mean to them...

Man..many of you don't understand where the player has to be for holding to exist. Either way, it's time to move on. If you think the NFL is fixed then stop supporting it.

They need to shut the **** up because they got an absolute gift last year for Manning's going away present.

Then how does that explain Oakland being the most penalized team in NFL history? It doesn't matter whether they've been great or awful. Every year they're called for more flags than their opponents regardless of personnel or coaching.

But the Chiefs get flagged on a blatant hold and all of a sudden it's bad call and the NFL is out to get the Chiefs.

F'ing please.

Oakland was 2-14 and one of the most penalized in the league. When they went to the Super Bowl they were one of the most penalized teams in the league.

Dallas, who's an undisputed media darling got a questionable call in their close loss to Green Bay.

It happens. This wasn't a Tuck Rule pulled out of the ass of some jack off upstairs after the play had already been ruled on.

Only Chief fans are crapping themselves about this, trying to justify another playoff loss after a solid regular season.

A mediocre quarterback, mediocre wide receivers, inability to control the clock, and the inability to score on your home turf after a bye week is why the Chiefs lost.

Get ovah it!!!