What dodging? I'm clearly stating that you are a ****ing idiot that doesn't know half as much as you think you do. Give your ego a rest.

Fire Haley, Keep Haley.


Until we get a qb it doesn't matter whos donning the HC title.

No. Not anymore. Haley is in over his head. He is not gonna get help from his GM either. It was not wise to hire a first-time GM and HC for the rebuild. Since Clark is not gonna fire Pioli, then Haley needs to go.

The meltdown level of this thread is hilarious. That is all.

Guys that get "ruined forever" never had it in the 1st place.

Yeah, I don't see how Stanzi does anything but benefit from actually playing against NFL competition. And it's not like there would be huge expectations from him.

It's pretty obvious that loyalty and stubborn-ness are driving the decision. OBVIOUS.

They've nearly set NFL records for offensive futility WITH Palko. If marching Palko out there week after god-forsaken week is not a signal to the team that he's giving up on the season, nothing else is.

He could go out and put up a stat line EXACTLY like Palko's today and 90% of the fan base would be ok with it because he's not Cassel or Palko.

There's absolutely ZERO pressure. None. Zilch. On Stanzi or HALEY.

And a healthy helping of stupidity.

Thats a good point. Haley is hurting himself by sticking with Palko. Atleast if Stanzi was showing signs Haley could unofficially say "hey if I ever had a real QB we could be good."

I don't claim to know more than coaches.

I do know that sometimes coaches can be wrong, and even without the benefit of seeing practice, fans can be right.

For instance, we all knew that there was no way in hell that Jamaal Charles could do worse than Larry Johnson in '09.

I was going respond to this, but I'll let Parker speak for me here.

How so? Did he not hook Palko last game for Orton, even though he'd only been on the team for a little over a week? It's clear that for some reason, he doesn't believe Stanzi can or should start. This has less to do with Palko and more to do with Stanzi.

Apparently, the team disagrees. Because they played really damn hard against New England, Pittsburgh, and Chicago. Today was the first game with Palko starting where the team didn't seem to rally behind their QB. Granted, that should have been the no-brainer time to put Stanzi in. But again, we have ZERO idea why Stanzi hasn't made his way into the starting lineup yet. Haley is usually not afraid to play a young guy over a veteran.

There's no reason to question these coaches, they're obviously geniuses.

He didn't pull Palko. They put Orton in and proceeded to run a FLEA FLICKER. They didn't put him in there in a position to potentially succeed because then they might actually have to play him.

This is ALL about Palko. Haley desperately wants Palko to succeed. Haley sees a bit of himself in Palko.

You need to re-read my post. I never said the guys weren't trying behind Palko - they absolutely are.

And if they'll play for a guy that needs a HAIL MARY to actually score a passing TD, they'll damn sure play for Stanzi. Your excuse that starting Stanzi signals the end of the season is bogus, plain and simple.

Thomas Jones called and says you need to talk to Casey Weigmann.

Tell me you're not serious.

Haley runs a ton of quick screens. He almost never goes for it on 4th down with Palko. And on every 3rd and long, he either runs the ball or runs a short route. Pretty clear that the coaching is well aware of his limitations.

I think marching a veteran backup sends a different signal than marching out an unexperienced rookie from the scout team when your team is still on the bubble.

Charles got enough carries as he deserved last year. And who's going to replace Wiegmann? Pioli short-handed Haley on offensive linemen, so Wiegmann's replacement has had to spend the entire year prepping to play Guard.