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penguinz 07-08-2018 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13619413)
So did heads roll after missing the cup? Are they making changes? Or does our talent level suck so bad we have no business being in the tournament anyway?

Things changed but not really. They are still looking for a permanent coach.

The entire system is broken from youth all the way to the National Team.

GloryDayz 07-08-2018 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 13619425)
Things changed but not really. They are still looking for a permanent coach.

The entire system is broken from youth all the way to the National Team.

Broken? I see so many kids in competitive youth sports, soccer with a huge level of participation, I'm not sure the argument that the system itself is what's causing us to not produce the world's best players.

What I might argue is that our overall system with raising kids to experience as much as they can and find their passion, which I agree with, is that we do our best to make sure our kids diversify (to some degree) growing up and know few limits. I'm not arguing that our kids aren't becoming one-sport kids, many are (my younger kid only plays hockey as a competitive sport now), but we still, generally, ask our kids to try anything and everything that looks interesting, the find their passion.

I've coached both my sons in football, baseball, wrestling, and hockey (only one of them in hockey) in the competitive sports area. They've also become very-experienced SCUBA divers, and they play 10-20 rounds of golf a year as non-competitive life-long sports. Add Scouting, playing a musical instrument, and being deeply involved in school (both have chosen band and Robotics to immerse themselves in) as the only things they "must" do to the list and they've experienced a lot, including trying youth soccer and basketball too.

While casa-'de-GloryDayz might be bit of an exception, I really don't think it is. I think most of us "generally" nudge our kids to to try as many things as possible, find their passion, then pursue it vigorously. I think we just have a lot more things for kids to try.

Now back to my thoughts on why the soccer stock from USA-born stock might not be up to winning (getting into!!) the FIFA WC and I use my European life experience for how I connect the dots. My family spent 6 years in Rome, IT in the 70's living on the economy (in town, not on a base - my parents hated living on bases!), and while I loved Italy and the whole experience, and anybody can argue that swimming, volleyball, archery, and fencing were options as sports for Italian kids, 99% of their sports lives revolve around soccer. On top of that, like some USA youth and a basket ball, if the Italian kids weren't in class, sleeping, pooping, or in church, they prolly had a soccer ball on their person. I think that's a very common model around the non-USA world, and it helps to produce more experienced stock.

It's both a numbers and a "gained experience" deal IMO. I'd ask this, how many hours of soccer, on average, compared to prospects in other countries, do American soccer players have by the time they hit the age of 22? It may not be 10:1, but if it's 2:1, or even 1.5:1, that's still huge.

And I like our system better.

Sorry for the book...

Prison Bitch 07-08-2018 10:16 AM

Sucks Russia lost

penguinz 07-08-2018 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 13619456)
Broken? I see so many kids in competitive youth sports, soccer with a huge level of participation, I'm not sure the argument that the system itself is what's causing us to not produce the world's best players.

What I might argue is that our overall system with raising kids to experience as much as they can and find their passion, which I agree with, is that we do our best to make sure our kids diversify (to some degree) growing up and know few limits. I'm not arguing that our kids aren't becoming one-sport kids, many are (my younger kid only plays hockey as a competitive sport now), but we still, generally, ask our kids to try anything and everything that looks interesting, the find their passion.

I've coached both my sons in football, baseball, wrestling, and hockey (only one of them in hockey) in the competitive sports area. They've also become very-experienced SCUBA divers, and they play 10-20 rounds of golf a year as non-competitive life-long sports. Add Scouting, playing a musical instrument, and being deeply involved in school (both have chosen band and Robotics to immerse themselves in) as the only things they "must" do to the list and they've experienced a lot, including trying youth soccer and basketball too.

While casa-'de-GloryDayz might be bit of an exception, I really don't think it is. I think most of us "generally" nudge our kids to to try as many things as possible, find their passion, then peruse vigorously. I think we just have a lot more things for kids to try.

Now back to my thoughts on why the soccer stock from USA-born stock might not be up to winning (getting into!!) the FIFA WC and I use my European life experience for how I connect the dots. My family spent 6 years in Rome, IT in the 70's living on the economy (in town, not on a base - my parents hated living on bases!), and while I loved Italy and the whole experience, and anybody can argue that swimming, volleyball, archery, and fencing were options as sports for Italian kids, 99% of their sports lives revolve around soccer. On top of that, like some USA youth and a basket ball, if the Italian kids weren't in class, sleeping, pooping, or in church, they prolly had a soccer ball on their person. I think that's a very common model around the non-USA world, and it helps to produce more experienced stock.

It's both a numbers and a "gained experience" deal IMO. I'd ask this, how many hours of soccer, on average, compared to prospects in other countries, do American soccer players have by the time they hit the age of 22? It may not be 10:1, but if it's 2:1, or even 1.5:1, that's still huge.

And I like our system better.

Sorry for the book...

The US has a pay-to-play model and it is very expensive to play. We are the only nation that builds their talent pool this way.

Skyy God 07-08-2018 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13619481)
Sucks Russia lost

Of course you’re sad, Putin’s Bitch.

GloryDayz 07-08-2018 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 13619492)
The US has a pay-to-play model and it is very expensive to play. We are the only nation that builds their talent pool this way.

That is true that we pay to play, but I don't recall playing on soccer teams in Italy being free either. Other than at school, and that's true here too.

What I won't argue is that competitive sports in America are over priced.

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Spott 07-09-2018 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13619413)
So did heads roll after missing the cup? Are they making changes? Or does our talent level suck so bad we have no business being in the tournament anyway?

I doubt the talent level is bad, but the best athletes here would never play soccer over football, baseball or basketball.

SuperBowl4 07-10-2018 07:06 AM

GO BELGIUM! Anybody but france :cuss:

loochy 07-10-2018 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Spott (Post 13621612)
I doubt the talent level is bad, but the best athletes here would never play soccer over football, baseball or basketball.

Ugh, the "athletes" argument again.

Our problem isn't athleticism. Our problem is knowing how to play the game. Our youth coaching sucks - it's too robotic and drill based (american football type coaching) and it's too focused on winning. There's too little focus on feeling and reading the game. There's very little organic pickup type ball being played, which is where the insane individual ball skills get developed.

Bewbies 07-10-2018 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Spott (Post 13621612)
I doubt the talent level is bad, but the best athletes here would never play soccer over football, baseball or basketball.

By the time the World Cup arrives in the USA the MLS will be bigger than one of the other sports leagues here. Just watch.

loochy 07-10-2018 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 13621988)
By the time the World Cup arrives in the USA the MLS will be bigger than one of the other sports leagues here. Just watch.

lol
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Why Not? 07-10-2018 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 13621988)
By the time the World Cup arrives in the USA the MLS will be bigger than one of the other sports leagues here. Just watch.

I'll take the Under on that at whatever price, and I like soccer.

Pasta Little Brioni 07-10-2018 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 13621988)
By the time the World Cup arrives in the USA the MLS will be bigger than one of the other sports leagues here. Just watch.

ROFL

Spott 07-10-2018 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 13621988)
By the time the World Cup arrives in the USA the MLS will be bigger than one of the other sports leagues here. Just watch.

:jester:


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