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Do we want DeHop? (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=347818)

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16840710)

You hedge your bets with vet bargains, but that's what you try to do, yes.

We don't need a draftee to start at WR, which is good because they almost certainly wouldn't no matter what in Reid's offense.

You bet your ass we're going to draft an OT and a DE too; maybe more than one each. And you can also safely assume that they will sign vets at less than top of the market as insurance policies.

That's assuming we don't just sign some guys outright, or possibly trade for them.

Nobody expects 6 or 7 starters. But you're going to have to draft well or you're ****ed with a QB eating 23% of your cap. Period. There's no way around it.

I don't know why I have to keep explaining this to you like you're four ****ing years old, but it's getting tiresome.

No QB in the history of the NFL post free agency had ever won a SB with a cap number above like 13% and change. Mahomes did it at 17% this year. Not Brady, not Manning. Nobody. Previous high was Steve Young in '94.

You're going to have to build your team through the draft, period. Add thrifty free agents to fill holes, but by and large you're going to have to draft well or you're screwed.

You HAVE to spread out your cap dollars.

You can keep saying it, unless they’re the ultimate outlier, they’re not going to have draft after draft like the last 2. You throw one or two in like 18 and 20 and then you’re in trouble.

They’re already the outlier winning a sb with the qb making what he is but it also took said qb having the best year in nfl history playing qb and a draft like 5 other teams have had in history.

They decided not to pay a good LT like an elite one. It’s the smart play

But they damn sure didn’t do it without an idea of what they’re gonna do at LT long term so when they trade up to draft someone or trade for and pay someone, we can put an end of o this

Someone mentioned this earlier and was laughed off, but a possible low cost vet that would be a possibility would be someone like Thielen. Because he's 32, but still a decent player who spent most of his career with ****ing Kirk Cousins. He won't be getting a bunch of money, but he's a smart, professional WR, and he could come chasing a ring. I'm talking like a 2-3m plus incentives. A '22 Juju deal. Just a guy to come in and be a consistent professional, be where he's supposed to be and catch the ball when it comes his way.

I saw an article that mentioned him, and if it was cheap enough, it would make some sense.

Not banging the drum for him or anything. Just sayin'.

That type of player at wr would make sense especially if you draft one that needs some time

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16840771)

Dude I'm sure they have a plan. I'm sure they have SEVERAL options to pivot to. I'm unconcerned. Hell, I'm excited. I can't wait to see what they're cooking up! But I'm pretty sure it's not a really expensive over 30 free agent.

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16840775)

That type of player at wr would make sense especially if you draft one that needs some time

Hey looka that! We agreed on something.

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16840778)

Yes. KC proved that they can win without elite WRs. It’s because Mahomes has grown more. I hate using Brady as an example, but for a large part of his career he won without elite pass catchers. He had Moss and Welker for a short time and Gronk. Can’t think of any others outside of when he was in TB. This is the Mahomes path. He will have to do more with less which I think this year he showed.

If you really like a LT in this draft I think you have to entertain trading jones if the return gets you enough to not have to make a massive trade up

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16840771)

You can keep saying it, unless they’re the ultimate outlier, they’re not going to have draft after draft like the last 2. You throw one or two in like 18 and 20 and then you’re in trouble.

Also-I don't think drafts like 18 and 20 are a concern.

In 18 the scouting was disrupted with Dorsey leaving and Veach taking over. And in 20 everything was ****ed 'cuz Covid. And Clyde. You know, who nearly every analyst said would be unfair in KC's offense. And me too. But we were wrong, all of us.

I don't expect a '22 draft every year, I but see no reason why we wouldn't continue to draft well, with all of the consistency we have in the organization. Veach, his staff, and the coaching staff are DIALED IN with an organizational stability that is rare in the NFL. Usually if you're successful, guys leave all over the place.

The issue, as I’ve said all along, is you’re basically at a spot where the things you need are just hard to find and usually go pretty high.

Lts and de types that we need are gonna require some heavy lifting. They’ll develop some guys I would think as that’s something they’ve been shown to do well

There will be at least one draft worse than 18 or 20. probably Veach won't have more than one or two of those over the next 10-12 years? But sooner or later the LoA will catch up to him, just like any other GM in history.

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16840787)

If you really like a LT in this draft I think you have to entertain trading jones if the return gets you enough to not have to make a massive trade up

And then have a minimal pass rush?

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 16840808)

And then have a minimal pass rush?

Goal #1 is finding your long term LT to protect your king qb

You’d be selling high on Jones and get back enough to build up the defensive line

**** all that. We aren't trading CJ. Veach isn't that dumb.

I actually kind of think this is a unique OT draft. It's really interesting. Less 'sure-fire' guys, but a lot of really good athletes that check all of the boxes.

Since they're NOT paying Brown record breaking money, they should keep Jonesy, extend him to get the cap hit down and roll.

Andre Dillard might be an interesting reclamation project. Just a guy to throw in the mix.

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16840810)

Goal #1 is finding your long term LT to protect your king qb

You’d be selling high on Jones and get back enough to build up the defensive line

Outside of Mahomes is there anyone you won’t trade or trade for? You can protect Mahomes while keeping Jones. They are not mutually exclusive options.