The greatest and most powerful families we see are just small portions of the large houses anyway. There are presumably still tons of Lannisters, Freys, Tyrells, etc.

Most of these powerful houses are looking to be extinguished here soon, though. Or at least stripped of their lordships and titles.

Hell yeah, Direwolf is back in the intro...

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I hope the unsullied packed some warmer gear

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Yea I know plenty of book readers that nitpick, but this is the most extreme case I've seen.

I think Snow feels he owes her because she brought him back to life. So saving her from execution repays that debt and now they go their separate ways because he can't stand to have her on his side.

I wonder if Arya will somehow be able to X Melisandre off her list

These last two episodes have even won over /r/freefolk and /r/asoiaf

I understand it, to a degree. I loathed the Harry Potter movies for their departures from the books.

What if there's more than one Varys?

Book reader here, and I loved this episode. Frey pies were the sort of detail that I thought would get lost, I was very happy that they showed up, even though the circumstances were changed. My biggest gripe is probably that no one but LF cared that Sansa is actually the heir to Winterfell.

Thinking about that though... Why hasn't anyone given any thought to Bran? The official story was that he and Rickon were killed by Theon. Now that everyone knows that isn't the case, due to Rickon's brief re-emergence, why hasn't anyone questioned what this means about Bran?

Good point. Bad writing? Editing decision? Would seem to be a line well-suited for Sansa and Jon's conversation on the wall watching Melisandre ride away.

Oh, you know it

Yeah, I'm not bothered by the other lords not caring about Bran, but it seems like Jon and Sansa might be a little interested.

Didn't Sam tell Jon in S4 that Bran was alive but that he couldn't prevent him from going North of the wall? If so Jon may think he's a goner.

No one mention of LF saying "Southern Born Bastard?"

Didn't remember her being on the list. Why does she want Melisandre dead? Might she reconsider since she saved Jon?

Found the scene here: http://youtu.be/G0zSLUfH9jM

Not for sure if she was on the list, but I would think it would be for taking Gendry.

Great Point.

Dude is the best. I'm going to look up all the rest of the movies he's been in and watch them. Dude owns.

He was born in the South. Ned brought him back from the war. LF doesn't necessarily know R+L=J

At this point most plot lines between the books and show have melded together for me so I could be wrong, but I think she had her on her list for taking Gendry.

She seems to have warmed up on the Hound so I wouldn't doubt it.

How do you make a meme and not double check the spelling and grammar? One of my biggest pet peeves.

This. Go to the effort of using title caps, but not grammar? Shitty work.

People are stupid. Ashton Kutcher thinks the plural of "journalist" is "journalist."

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He was already born before Ned walked in, right? So he wasn't born under that bleeding star.

You're right. Even if he didn't think he was a goner, the news of Bran possibly surviving wouldn't actually be news, so he has no reason to bring it up now.

Jon Snow told Sansa she was the head of the house when he offered her the Lords chambers. But I mean, who do you rally behind? Sansa? Or the former Lord Commander who led the attack to take back Winterfell and is widely regarded as a Stark by all those northerners who "know" his father is Ned Stark, and he was raised with the Stark children. Sometimes you can just tell when somebody has "it", and that's why he became Lord Commander and then King of the North.

You're being too technical.

Wow. I hadn't gone over to asoiaf.westeros.org for years, but someone sent me a link to a thread so I've been catching up a bit with the serious book folks. I had no idea there was such a hatred of the show. When it started, I figured some readers might dismiss it fairly soon if it didn't match their vision, but seriously, they are downright ridiculous. Pure seething hatred of the show runners as if they were actually trying to ruin GRRM and his legacy.

Am I wrong or wasn't Dawn wielded by Ser Arthur Dayne in combat at the battle outside? If the baby was born under his protection and the great sword was made from a meteorite then Jon Snow was born under a bleeding star.

BOOM

Not sure about the smoke and salt part though.

Also, say Dany shows up with King's Landing as her goal. It becomes known that Dany is Snow's aunt. It would take a very liberal interpretation of "prince", but Dany as Queen with Snow as Warden of the North would make sense.

Could be a reference to Cersei burning up King's Landing and the Ironborn joining the cause.

That was never in doubt. Even the 'Ned's son' narrative has him being 'southron born' in Northern parlance.

I was always of the mind that anything that happened south of the neck was considered southern for the North.

One thought: Jon Snow can be considered to have been born twice. His resurrection can be seen as the birth of Jon Targaryen, so important events happening around the time of his rez may count as him being born "in the middle of" of them. Or amidst.

Yeah, I guess so. The whole Azor Ahai thing confuses me. Why do the people in Asshai care so much about a hero that will defeat monsters that don't exist in Asshai?

Asshai pretty weird and mysterious. Sounds like it's a magical place full of warlocks and witches. I'm not sure we'd ever get an answer to that.

Stupid. I'm the exact opposite. I'm thankful for the show creators who are actually going to be able to deliver on the storyline, which I don't think GRRM will. If it weren't for them, we'd be facing an incomplete story.

I also think they've done a great job of trimming the fat and moving things along, while GRRM has just gotten more plodding and purposeless as the books have progressed. He REALLY doesn't seem like he knows how to get to where he wants to go with the books.

I wonder that the Long Night is a much bigger/different deal than just the Others, and they basically just took advantage of it the first time around, and are looking to do the same this time.

Azor Ahai dealt with (or caused) the first Long Night, but didn't have anything to do with the Others. The new Azor Ahai will deal with (or cause) this new Long Night, which will have an enemy much more dire than the Others.

Sounds like you know a lot more about all that than I do.

I thought Azor Ahai was the champion who dealt with the Others during the first Long Night. And I thought that the Others were synonymous with White Walkers?

The Arya storyline this season seemed like a "**** it. This doesn't make sense but we're going forward" sort of move.

The Last Hero sought out the Children and defeated the Others (yes, synonymous with White Walkers) during the Long Night.

Azor Ahai is a supposed good guy who "fought against the darkness". The legend is from Asshai, which has never seen an Other. Also, the legend of Azor Ahai has many similarities to other legends from other cultures that decidedly do not sound like good guys (The Bloodstone Emporer, Hyrkoon the Hero, Yin Tar, Neferion, and Eldric Shadowchaser).

Noob question - How did the Long Night impact Essos?

Why do people watch it if they hate it so much. That's what I never understood.

I have a co-worker who is a ridiculous stickler. F'n pain in the ass.

Pretty unclear. Supposedly the Bloodstone Emperor caused the Long Night when he killed his sister, the Amethyst Empress, and stole her throne. It was certainly dark and cold, and lots of people died.

Speaking of Essos, the people over there have got to be loving the sudden absence of 100,000 Dothraki screamers.

I think he'll have his own Dragon. It's under winterfell.

I've been enjoying the analysis of the music during the first 20m. It struck me too at the time. First time they used piano. The use of the music in this one was astounding to me. That first 20 is perfection IMO.

Agreed on the music being outstanding last night. Very Godfather-y feel to the piano.

Yes, you're right.

So is it a baby/not hatched... Or how's this work? How's he hatch it?

Something scared him that was down there.

Hot springs.


I think it's full ****ing grown

Yes mostly, but remember Robert's main lie to the throne was his past blood ties to targarians. But also why he wanted all Targs killed off to not dispute that claim, but the hats neither here nor there.

Just saying, when it seems right, they make exceptions.

Dorne and Bear Island seem to be exceptions. So bilineal descent is not unheard of. England practiced bilineal descent since Henry II became king and was their basis for the claim of the French throne.

When did this happen? I must've missed it in the episode, but seen a couple references to it.

Additionally proving my point. It's not unheard of. I think IF they find a way to reveal Jon's parentage to the whole north, it will only cement his claim to be a true born leader, joining the north and the south in blood lines.

It was in the books for sure. I haven't watched the tv show

I agree, especially if he rides a ****ing Dragon out from under the castle.

I think Jon only had visions/dreams in the crypts.

It might be a good time to send an e-mail to Howland Reed.

Agree. I loved the 1st 3 books. But I prefer the show over the last couple of books.

I was digging around various sites and came across this:

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</td><td style="padding:5px; font-style:italic; width:auto;">All my dreams are of the crypts, of the stone kings on their thrones. Sometimes I hear Robb's voice, and my father's, as if they were at a feast. But there's a wall between us, and I know that no place has been set for me.<sup id="cite_ref-Rasos75.7B.7B.7B3.7D.7D.7D_21-0" class="reference">[22]</sup> </td> <td style="width:20px; color:#
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Jon Snow said something very similar to Sansa in the finale.

When I start reading about all of these extra characters and storylines from the books here and then start reading more about them on the Internet I get so lost and confused.

Army of kids

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The stark dream team

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watching the finale right now, just needed to say

HOLY SHIT

That septa is well and truly ****ed.

You think we'll ever see the uncut septa scene?

must have been pretty bad if HBO didn't show it LMAO

Seeing that the show doesn't back away from violence. I would guess that the original cuts implied The Mountain went full, uh, Ellia Martell on the Septa. After the backlash from Sansa's scene last year I wouldn't be surprised if they opted to nix it.

You know, I've often wondered if the writers ever dig in to some of the crazy micro breakdown conspiracy theories and go "Damn, that would have been awesome... Shit.."

Also, I'd take 2 minutes of Bron dialogue over 20 minutes of Dany babble or Tyrion being serious guy. Bron just nails it.

For posterity, repeat listening

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i'm no lip reader, but i'm 94% sure she said, "please go down on me one more time...then ride me like you do your horse....promise me.....promise me"

Fitting.

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fookin hell arya

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I think it was more like Cersie sexually molested the septa while she was bound to the slab. Cersei was running her hands over her in the scene that made it to air. I believe that that's what they were hinting at when they had Cersei do that, and then had Zombie Mountain come in and be the gimp off screen.

**** vader

Obama is a GOT fan, Names off people who have been killed.

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I don't buy it.

Keep the stupid shit out of this thread shillary.