Haterz are just jealous of my sweet Ed Hardy shirt.

Actually, the Chiefs are having a bad year. The Chiefs have a bad QB.

It is nice to look at this and realize it could be worse. Misery loves company.

SOOOOO basically you think he is the Carson from 2005 with those stats you threw up?

He isnt.

oh, the stats game.

Can I play?

How about the guy that has thrown 100 interceptions and fumbled the ball 42 times?

How about the guy that has barely gotten over the 60% mark the last few years.

The guy that will turn 32 during the season and hasnt trusted his knee since he was 26.

The guy that hasnt thrown a real strong ball since his elbow injury.

Carson Palmer is fools gold.

I dont know what is funnier, the Stanford Routt deal or paying a 1 and 2 for a guy that isnt worth a 3.

Raider's got a first and a second round pick for trading their coach! That trade didn't work out too badly for Tampa Bay. Well see how this trade works out.

We are talking about the old Carson Palmer. You know... the one putting up numbers comparable to the best QB's in the game.

Thanks for playing.

Carson Palmer had an inept off. coord. in Cincy, two diva WRs who cared about their show(s) more than running routes, headcases that were brought in only to be arrested week in and week out...The inmates basically ran the asylum when Palmer was in Cinn. Easy to disillusion any franchise QB.

Hue Jackson was Palmer's QB coach at USC and receivers coach when Palmer had his bigest amt. of success as a Bengal.

He never had all those numbers in the same year. Heck, his career passer rating is less than 87.

I know Palmer is close the age of a coach..... but he isn't a coach.

Oh, and the Raiders were bashed for that trade too... and at that time, all the Raider homers (like you) were talking about how Gruden didn't matter.

Ooops.

My bad bro. <200 yards is clearly not worth a 1st and 2nd. Carson was one of the best QB's in the game before his injury and to say you wouldn't give a 1st and a 2nd for that is ****ing stupid.

Well, was he talking about 'old' carson palmer as in the 'young' carson palmer or was he talking about the 'old' carson palmer meaning the current palmer who is, by NFL standards, OLD.

ok, ok, ok... how epic if he plays against the chiefs, but because he's not conditioned he gets hurt on say a hali play and bangs up his acl. i mean, i have nothing against palmer, other than the stupid silver and black helmet now. and i know injuries are uncool.

But, if this happened to the raiders...

... Read the quoted text and get back to me on that. If you have to ask that question you should probably remove yourself from society.

I didn't make that argument. I am just pointing out that you are exagerating his stats.

And, would you make the trade if you knew that he was not going to have another year of that caliber for the next five years at least?

See, he WAS injured. And, he has never been the same. You can debate whether he was worth those picks in 2005.... but its 2011.

It doesn't matter if he was injured. That's not the ****ing argument. JFC you are stupid.

No, I would much rather him flame out while healthy. If he gets hurt, the Raiders fans will just talk about how great it would have been and how injuries are part of the game.

Now, if it is a non contact injury...it would be a little better.