I deserve to be here just as much as you do. Fraud

This really is an odd situation and CP has seen almost everything.

We have an entire clan of 49ers fans fighting each other here daily.

Calling people frauds and clowns, while when Alex was the QB for the 9ers it seems as if you didn't support the team and now you do. I don't see anything wrong with being a fan of a stand up guy but I do see a something disturbingly wrong with hating on said guy. If jake is a fraud you are even worse than one.

That is a low % for Alex, but like someone else said, we are a new offense all learning each other and the route combinations. Also, the Chiefs are top 10 in most passes dropped so far. That will affect a QB's %, obviously.

Oh really? Then why have I been posting there all day long? Hmm... pretty sure those were my fingers on my laptop.. typing away on a SF forum... how strange. ****ing moron.

definitely bizarro pathetic, that one is...

Nice read on Smithers...

nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000246391/article/andy-reids-kansas-city-chiefs-thriving-on-both-sides-of-the-ball

Nice video on Smithers...

nfl.com/videos/kansas-city-chiefs/0ap2000000245956/The-Coaches-Show-How-good-is-Alex-Smith

Well, this is Niners Planet.

But really, it's simply the continuation of the pretty nasty fight that has been transplanted to your board. Kind of like a bar brawl that makes its way from bar to bar, taking some of its original participants with it, and picking up new ones along the way.

That's funny, and actually rather true. Some don't really care about Alex or whether Alex is good or not. They are butthurt from past "transgressions" from other 49ers fans... and so are desperate to lash out at those posters via Alex.

So for you 100% KC fans... keep in mind that the pro-Alex people are not where the SF spillover is at fault. It's the butthurt cock-suckers that do hate Alex because they blame him for being punked out by the the pro-Smithers.. as well as Alex's play that has proven them wrong time and again.

I guess I can respect that considering this place is a daily brawl amongst Chief's fans usually.

Most places wouldn't tolerate this stuff so it makes sense it lands here.

I know exactly what you ****ing said. Just because it happened once (against a terrible defense) doesn't mean it will happen again
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This. I'm a 49ers fan, yes. But I am rooting for the Chiefs HORD. Sure, it's because I like Alex Smith, but does that really matter? I want the TEAM to do well, not just Smith. Loving what the Chiefs are doing this year...

Its rather interesting that that win is not allowed to count.

I mean the tone of your post makes it sound like evidence since then suggest it couldn't happen again and it doesn't.

I heard something the other day about how men are more obsessed with being right than getting it right.

This whole Alex Smith debate proves that.

So with his thought process, since Colin Kaepernick has never beaten the Seahawks he will never beat them.

I'm starting to wonder...

Yes, sir. I may have started looking deep into KC because of Smith... but I have found myself really liking most of the KC players as well. Always did like the key players like JC, Bowe, Asamoah, TJax, Albert, D Johnson, Houston, Flowers, McCluster, and Berry. And now, I am really liking some (newer to me) others like Poe, Sherman, Catapano, and loved Kelce as a prospect.

I was feeling the adrenaline that I feel from SF games in the last 2 Chiefs games. :)

That is...bizarre. But I don't hate it.

He's not even a good game manager. Just an improvement over Cassel in regards to not turning the ball over.

Meh, bleh, eh.

Was that said on The View? LMAO

It's only been said by about 20 different people about 4000 different times by those who aren't sold on Smith being someone who can take the Chiefs beyond the first round of the playoffs... there's no hate involved and we would happily be wrong. Who the hell really cares if their football opinion ends up being wrong? Are we 7? LMAO

Trying to pick apart a post because someone didn't add a word like "consistently" even though it was obviously the point doesn't change or disprove anything. Regardless if someone says "he can't win in the playoffs" and he did win one game, it doesn't change reality... it's one playoff game. Given guys like Tebow have won a playoff game (it totally means he could win another one!!! derp), the goal posts should be set at 2nd round wins and beyond, where the big boys win. Arguing about single games short of that is pointless.

Not you, but by the posts here, I'd say about half the posters are about 7... whether actually 7 or mentally stunted to that of 7 year olds.

There's definitely some pretty shallow discussion in this thread. I'd lean towards the pro-Smith/49er guys wanting to be right... but, that's logical. You guys have watched him for several years and have more info on him... and I sure as hell don't want to be right. I'd love to put down some cash and watch a legit playoff contender at Arrowhead.

But yeah, we definitely have our share... the Geno thread is probably the best example at the moment. People get so freakin' obsessed with and entrenched in their own opinion, they'll cherry pick and do whatever it takes to push their agenda. Kind of fascinating, in a sad way.

Not tearing him down. He's a limited QB...as are several other QB's in the league.

A win counts the same no matter how many yards the QB passes for.

Do you think there will be a few gamez this year that type of performance will be necessary to win a game?

His floor is somewhere above Christian Ponder and his ceiling is Kerry Collins.
I think he's a lot closer to Kerry than Christian, but he's certainly not Young, Manning, Brady etc...

I don't think Philly is putting up 28 on the Chiefs D.

I think Alex Smith is capable of doing anything necessary to win. So far we haven't needed a lot of passing yards to win. We may need them Thursday because the Eagles can score some points. I believe Alex Smith can gets us enough to win. Will he? Who knows. That is why they play the games.

He has never in his 8 year career put up big passing numbers. I don't expect that to change anytime soon.

Oh cmon. Outside of a couple communication issues, be managed the game pretty damn well.

He took a lot of hits and secured the ball and didn't throw any picks while amazing almost 300 yards. Also, 2 td passes.

I'll take that all day.

The pro-Smith guys have always said, all he needed was a good coach and a little consistency in one offensive scheme. He had that in Harbaugh and now has it with Reid. It's proven that the pro-Smith guys have been right all along. Alex's record with these 2 coaches is nothing short of amazing especially for a guy that's been through what he has.

Go Alex!

This will of course get more interesting as time marches on and the competition becomes more challenging.

Dude

As time passes, he will develop chemistry with these receivers and backs and become more efficient than he is at the start of the season. Especially as the line gels as the season goes on.

It's not all doom and gloom.

Kerry might have been a HOF player if he didn't waste his first 6 years being a total ****ing idiot...

Our schedule is our friend.

We only play one division team in the first 9 weeks and that's Oakland.

Enjoyed the linked video. Thanks!!!

Ha! So it's not just me... I DVR'd the game, and rushed home from my son's Pop Warner team picture day. I was cheering like it was the Niners. It feels quite strange, but I don't care. The Chiefs are doing EVERYTHING that I love about football. And I agree, I'm starting to like the other players on the team, Smith just happens to fit in with them perfectly.

Ironic, isn't it?

Yeah man... it feels great on Sundays to look at the whole schedule and :D as I see a KC game at noon and a SF game later in the day. Usually, I am flipping around to multiple teams at noon and giving a **** about none of them.

All the same, I find what the Chiefs are building very similar to what SF did in 2011... and liking the players (and not one of them do I dislike) just easily makes them of interest to me. Add in a class QB like Smith, and I am in!

I have always been a fan of the NFL and more than one team while also keeping SF above the rest. I'm not one of these brain-washed by daddy kids that doesn't choose for myself. I have never been anywhere near the WC, and have no geological or other connection there.

GO NINERS !!!! GO CHIEFS !!!! Anyone got a problem with that? Eat a dick and GTFO. :)

Don't like you and have no interest in communicating with you... but I don't like the twisting of this.

First, I don't give a shit what Smith did or didn't do many years ago with garbage team and coaches. I respect trends for players in the NFL.

So that said, and judging off of the last 40 games of Smith with quality coaching....

There have been only a few games where it can be considered that Smith and his team fell behind by multiple scores, and he AND the team didn't respond with a brilliant comeback late in the game.

- 1 from 2011 @ Baltimore. (and every SF fan admits that NO ONE played well that night)

- 2 from 2012 @ Minnesota and vs the NYG
The Vikings really out-schemed and shocked us.. and pretty sure that Ponder had the best game of his shitty life. Late in the 3rd, Alex brought us back with a TD drive to close their lead to 4... but the Vikes scored yet another TD and forced our offense to start.. forcing things. It happens.

The NYG game got out of hand in the 2nd half, and Alex and his busted up middle finger did not respond well. It happens.

- 1 from 2010 @ SD (and every SF fan that even remembers that game should know that once again, NO ONE played well that game)


Now then, you add in all of the far more comeback wins... and then you have... well, what pretty much all good QBs deal with. A favorable mix of wins, comebacks, and failed comebacks.

The fact that the SF defense rarely allowed opponents to distance themselves? The reality that when teams rarely did? it caught us by surprise, as we were not a team ever built to come back from multiple deficits..


Aaaah whatever... let's just take the easy, thoughtless route and wail out "Alex is teh suxxorz!"

It's just much easier to be a simpleton instead of actually exercising the brain, so carry on... :)

This is where we differ. Can he? I guess so. Worse QB's have done it. Can he do it on a consistant basis like Trent Green? I highly doubt it.

I think I would feel better about the <b>LONG TERM</b> view of Alice if did what Vick did last week in a loss than what Alice did last week in a win. Of course I would rather win the game, but I would feel better going forward knowing that if and when things don't go perfect we are still able to overcome offensive turnovers, special teams TD's, and a shit day by the defense.

And of course if/when those things happen people will want to give Alice a pass if he didn't fumble, give up points, or miss a tackle on the return, but those things happen in football and you need a QB that can make up for it from time to time. Just like when Alice tanked in the NFC title game. Peope want to point to the ST fumble and ignore how bad Alice was that day when he stunk it up.

I've been thinking about the comparison between Smith/Green lately. I would take Smith over Green. I think Smith looks better throwing the ball. His passes have more zip and he is way more athletic. Not to take anything away from Green's successes, but Green had ridiculous talent surrounding him when he was playing at a high level. A few years prior to that, he was awful. There's still a long way to go, but I've been pleasantly surprised with Smith.

:facepalm: ROFL

Big Cat, you guys bitch about Alex Smiths history and say he cant do this and cant do that and then go an compare him to one of the biggest under achievers in league history. Vick is a dynamic injury prone QB that has never won anything. In 12 freaking seasons, he has 2 playoffs wins. Hes a career 55% completion rate and has only passed for 20,000 yrds in 12 seasons. His career history is just as bad as Smiths for being a top pick. Yea hes dynamic looking but when you come down to it thats all rainbows and bubble gum. The guy doesnt finish seasons and he doesnt win, over the course of a whole season is completely inaccurate with the football, also loses and avg of 8 fumbles a season over the course of his career along with the ints. 2 out of 12 seasons has he ever completed 60% of his passes. If you need a bigger sample size of avg i just dont know where your going to find it. He rushed for alot of yards when he was young. Thats pretty good i guess

I wasn't advocating or comparing Vick. I was using the game he had Sunday as an example.

Great use of that pic.

This is just dumb on so many levels. Green had a season where he damn near averaged 300 yards a game passing with a 67 percent completion percentage. Green could actually throw to WR's and get the ball down field. He was a top 5-10 QB in his best days. It's been so long that I think you forgot just how good the guy was.

As for your point that Alex tanked in the title game, he is the only guy who made a big play to have them in the game. Throw out the comp % , i was at this game and many others in SF, never been in this kind of weather for a football game ever in my life. His 76 yrder to Davis, another 37 yrdr and was winning. No turnovers whatsoever in a defensive battle. It took Eli 58 attempts to get to 300 yrds an avg a meager 5 yrds attempt. Smith did not tank that game at all. I agree with alot of what you say about his play from when he was drafted. But you had to be at that game to see how gritty an tough it was.

Maybe not, but as awesome as the 49ers defense was last year they gave up >24 points in 25% of their regular season games last year. It's going to happen eventually and happen more than a few times. Those games are the games that will define Alice.

That totally fair about what your saying about vick then, but from what ive been seeing I think Alex will have the opportunity to do that when KC has a few more offensive playmakers. Vick is playing with a full house right now, KC has really good players but still needs one or two more dynamo's. Its no secret that Vick is much more dynamic and athletic, they just get it done in different ways. Smiths brand of football certainly is not the 2013 type FB people are getting used to. Doesnt mean its any less effective

Totally agree and hope he surprises everyone for the KC Chiefs sake. Would love for them to be perennially good again

How old are you?

This is the type of reeruned shit you hear from Smith fanboys. It's like the twilight zone.

Go **** yourself with a fork. I've never been a "Smith fanboy." I said I've been pleasantly surprised by his play. Who hasn't been?

And yet he's still accomplished more than Alex Smith. Vick and Smith are asked to do different things. Vick is asked to win games. Smith is asked to "not **** anything up". Who cares about completion % when you make a living off of screens and checkdowns. The one thing I'll give Smith is he doesn't turn the ball over. That's it.

You can go **** yourself for this statement:

"I would take Smith over Green" was downright reeruned."

What has he accomplished again? A bit of insight would be helpful. Yes hes got more rushing yards and one more playoff win, but thats in 12 seasons compared to Smiths 8. 2 of which were spent on injured reserve. So please tell me what Vick has accomplished?

This is easily the single dumbest post I've ever read on this site.

And speaking of dumb posts, will this board be infested with 9er fans from now on? Hopefully it's just a passing fad, because all the Alex Smith ball washing has to be making everyone else as sick as it does me. We get it, you love him. I've never seen such worship for such a mediocre player in my long miserable life. I can't think of one single great player I would follow to another teams BB, let alone a very average one. I mean, Tony Gonzalez is the greatest TE, and one of the greatest receivers in the history of the game and I wouldn't have ever considered becoming a Falcons fan because of him.

People are just ****ing crazy I guess. I shouldn't be suprised.

Actually, I'm leaning towards Smith vs Green being a wash at this point.

Green was clearly a better and more productive passer with more ability to throw downfield accurately, but Smith's scrambling is a real asset to this offense that Green never had.

Mentally they're about the same.

It's close.

Maybe. I don't remember him throwing to the WRs all that often. I always felt like he dumped the ball off to Holmes and TG more than anything. I was never confident when he dropped back to throw. His release was so awkward and he threw so many INTs in his first couple of years that my perception may be off, but I don't remember him throwing downfield a lot.

You don't even know how to use quotes. You dumb!

GTFOH. He completed just 12 passes the ENTIRE game and just one to a receiver. Was 0 for on 3rd downs. He played terribly but his numbers looked good. It should have never come down to KW fumbles.

He is ass on 3rd downs even in KC. You're not winning anything by being that terrible on 3rd downs too afraid to throw the ball downfield....

OK Einstein :deevee:

The deep outs were a staple of that offense. Kennison resurrected his career with those routes. They did run a lot of screens as well though.

The pro-Smith guys have been right all along.

pro-Smith guy - "All he needs is better coaching and consistency in one offensive scheme."

Proof - 21 wins 5 losses

anti-Smith guy - "He sux and always will"

Proof - 21 win 5 losses

I don't see anything wrong with being a fan of a winning QB. Now hating on one is a different story, especially if he was winning as your former QB. The guy was 1 muffed punt away from going to the Superbowl and possibly winning it. You're QB now was the main reason for the loss in Seattle yet you are here mad at Alex.

Go Alex!

Uh, Green threw for 4500 yards one year and had 5 seasons in a row where he basically threw for 3700+ each season (missed it by 10 yards once), and 4000+ 3 years in a row. I know they had a lot of YAC in that system, but that system stretched the field quite a bit, too. Smith's thrown over 3000 once (3144), and had a pretty good team around him in 2011 and 2012.

Could today's Alex Smith step into Green's shoes in that system and done just as well? No one should even act like they know the answer to that... not impossible by any means, but one hurdle would be that the system sacrifices some efficiency and interceptions for stretching the field, and that's obviously not a known strength of Smith at this point.

LMAO

Assuming you're not just trolling (I know, big assumption), you should reread the last few days of this thread if you really think the stuff in bold is true or that 21-5 is proof that he can consistently compete with the big boys.

What has he accomplished? Well, he went into Lambeau in the playoffs when no one beat GB and beat them.

4 pro bowls, records, etc.

Was out of football for 2 years, came back and not only went to the playoffs, but went to the pro bowl.

It may not look like much but he's had a far more impressive career than your guy.

So passing yards is more important to you than a win? Really? Strange. Your priorities are ****ed up.

That record is extremely deceiving. He's been along for the ride on most of those victories.

He rode a top record breaking defense. Top record breaking special teams. Top record breaking running game in 2011.

No, the ability to put the team on his back and give them a chance to win is was I'm looking for, not have the rest of the team piggy back the QB. Do you get it now? Because like I've stated before EVENTUALLY he will need to put the team on his back when another aspect of the team faulters. Passing yards(given not garbage time yards) and TD throws/runs are just what happens with a QB puts the team on his back sort of like Vick and Rivers did last week. They aren't holding teams to < 10 points a game avg all year.

yea that was about 13 years ago, if thats the case then lets erase all what Alex did in his career earlier as well. Like i said, hes got one more playoff win than Smith. Pro bowls are a joke. You guys had 6 last year and were 2-14. Vick is a great Athlete who has done nothing to prove he could win a team the Superbowl. His career passing % is just 6 points higher than Tebow, so there ya go and that is a 12 year body of work.

http://i.imgur.com/uEyWO9O.jpg

GB had 5 Turnovers

You put way too much stock in stats. WINS are all that matter. And in the last 3 years Alex Smith has been a winner - and Vick hasn't.

Big C, i do see what your saying about when the time comes, he needs to prove to the fans that he can put them on his back. Years 1-6 I dont think he showed it and also didnt have the personnel to do it. Even when Peyton was a rookie and showed he could do it he still had Harrison, Faulk, Small and a young Pollard. In the last 2 years and even in 2010 Smith showed some flashes of being capable. But you are right, you need to see it with you own eyes while hes in a KC uni. I completely agree with your statement

LMAO

You know who racks up big stats? Brady, Manning, Brees, Adrian Peterson, Jamal Charles, Megatron, Aldon Smith. Stats usually mean you're a pretty damn good player.

You know who has shown the ability to win? Rex Grossman, Trent Dilfer, Steve Bono, Tim Tebow.

I, myself, like to see both.

You know what you are NOT putting enough stock in? The ability to move the ball. That's sort of a good think in football.

Thanks man. It's a simple concept that people can't or don't want to grasp.