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BigCatDaddy 07-29-2013 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma (Post 9842639)
THAT WON'T GET IT DONE UR STUPID.

Sure it would. Maybe Duffy and a lottery ticket, but I would rather give up Ventura.

Cephalic Trauma 07-29-2013 10:01 AM

If Detoilet loses Peralta and we gain Kendrick in the same week, I won't be able to post anymore as my keys will be stuck to the keyboard.

WhawhaWhat 07-29-2013 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9842642)
If the Angels want a AAA SP for Kendrick, I'd much rather do (from a Royals perspective) Yordano Ventura as the main piece. I'm with Rany on this one. Duffy is lefthanded and more seasoned, and probably ready to play a significant part next year.

As long as they are confident Duffy isn't Affeldt 2.0, I agree.

Cephalic Trauma 07-29-2013 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 9842649)
Sure it would. Maybe Duffy and a lottery ticket, but I would rather give up Ventura.

Yeah man, I thought the all caps gave it away.

It seems that every time someone makes a somewhat reasonable trade suggestion, there's always someone who essentially says that.

WhawhaWhat 07-29-2013 10:05 AM

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Rob White ‏@rwhiteOWH
#Royals minor leaguer Johnny Giavotella due to have an MRI on his injured hip Monday.
May explain his lack of production this time.

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Rob White ‏@rwhiteOWH
#Royals prospect Yordano Ventura will miss his next start. Tweaked hamstring Thursday. Too bad, was scheduled to face Taijuan Walker.
:deevee:

BigCatDaddy 07-29-2013 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma (Post 9842655)
Yeah man, I thought the all caps gave it away.

It seems that every time someone makes a somewhat reasonable trade suggestion, there's always someone who essentially says that.

My bad. I don't see that too much on this board so I didn't pick that up.

WhawhaWhat 07-29-2013 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma (Post 9842655)
Yeah man, I thought the all caps gave it away.

FU Buddy!! :D

duncan_idaho 07-29-2013 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 9842652)
As long as they are confident Duffy isn't Affeldt 2.0, I agree.

I thnk there are fewer questions with Duffy than with Ventura.

Size is not an issue. He's also a LHP who sits at 94-05 and can pump 98-99 from the left side. Good changeup and solid/improving curve to pair with that makes him pretty valuable.

Ventura has absolutely electric stuff, but his stature is a concern, and he has had more control problems than Duffy. I love the guy, but if choosing between the two, I take Duffy.

He has come back from the injury and shows no concerns there. He also is on a different level as a prospect and in terms of potential than Affeldt, IMO.

WhawhaWhat 07-29-2013 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9842671)
He has come back from the injury and shows no concerns there. He also is on a different level as a prospect and in terms of potential than Affeldt, IMO.

Will Duffy be better than 17-22 and 4.77 ERA in five years of service? That was Affeldt's production for the Royals. Affeldt missed time due to injury as well.

Prison Bitch 07-29-2013 10:13 AM

Kendrick is a 4 WAR player at a premium position with a club-friendly contract signed for the next two years after this one. Let's be realistic abotu what it would take to get a player of that caliber.

DeepSouth 07-29-2013 10:16 AM

If the Royals don't make some kind of a trade for a 2nd baseman, I think it's time to bring up Colon. He batted .311 in July. He's batting .334 with four homers over the last ten games. Colon is not on the 40 man Roster so a move would have to be made. The Royals have Giavotella, Getz, and Falu on their 40 man roster. If Giavotella is hurt and he goes on the disabled list, the move could be made to add Colon to the 40 man roster.

duncan_idaho 07-29-2013 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 9842676)
Will Duffy be better than 17-22 and 4.77 ERA in five years of service? That was Affeldt's production for the Royals. Affeldt missed time due to injury as well.

I think his floor is what we were seeing last year before he went down with the TJ, probably with a little bit better control (4.00 ERA, 1.30 WHIP, 1 K/IP seems like a decent target for his floor). I refuse to talk about W-L in any way other than to deride it, so I'll ignore that part of the equation.

I'm pretty confident Duffy will be better than Affeldt was.

Ceiling is still that of a No. 2 starter. His curve is inconsistent, but lefties who throw his type of heat and have a good changeup can get by with an inconsistent breaking pitch.

Tampa has two of them.

WhawhaWhat 07-29-2013 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9842693)
I think his floor is what we were seeing last year before he went down with the TJ, probably with a little bit better control (4.00 ERA, 1.30 WHIP, 1 K/IP seems like a decent target for his floor). I refuse to talk about W-L in any way other than to deride it, so I'll ignore that part of the equation.

I'm pretty confident Duffy will be better than Affeldt was.

Ceiling is still that of a No. 2 starter. His curve is inconsistent, but lefties who throw his type of heat and have a good changeup can get by with an inconsistent breaking pitch.

Tampa has two of them.

Not saying I disagree with you and I think a trade for Kendrick should happen if they ask for either one. If the Royals worry that either guy will turn out to be a reliever then they shouldn't be bothered trading them away.

Prison Bitch 07-29-2013 10:24 AM

You know what Kendrick brings, but you have no clue what the Duff-man, Zimmer or Ventura bring. To me Zimmer is the guy I'd never trade because he's in the rotation next year regardless. Duffy would be 2nd, and Ventura the most likely I'd trade. Probably a Ventura + Colon + Crow. Something like that could work for them.

duncan_idaho 07-29-2013 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9842680)
Kendrick is a 4 WAR player at a premium position with a club-friendly contract signed for the next two years after this one. Let's be realistic abotu what it would take to get a player of that caliber.

Realistically?

One top 50-type prospect who is close to MLB-ready + some additional pieces.

I wouldn't balk at Ventura being the main piece... I would balk at another top 50 prospect (especially Mondesi) and another top 100 prospect being the other pieces that go that way. I can't say this enough re: Mondesi... what he is doing at his age is MORE impressive than what Jurickson Profar did. Look at their ages, their league affiliations, and what they did. Mondesi is putting up the same numbers Profar did at age 17... but he's doing it an entire level HIGHER than Profar was at age 17.

Ventura + Cuthbert + Kyle Smith seems about right. Orlando Calixte, Brett Eibner, Jason Adam, Christian Colon, Johnny Giavotella also could be mix/match pieces for that trade.

Gordon
Kendrick
Hosmer
Butler
Perez
Lough
Cain
Moustakas
Escobar

Not a murderers row, but a pretty good lineup. And gives them that additional RH bat they really need to balance things out.


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