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Eric Berry ‘a bit surprised’ on lack of extension progress (https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=300780)

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 12319539)

I don't fault Berry for wanting to look out for his interests in the least. It would just appear that he and his agent overvalued his worth. He's better than Harrison Smith, but even Harrison Smith is wildly overpaid. Berry might have well taken it personally when the Chiefs told him he'd have to pay for his own insurance if the cancer came back, who knows?

I'm not mad at the Chiefs on this one. I'm not mad at anybody, it just is what it is.

Who you have faulted the Chiefs for reducing his salary last year?

Last i heard the Chiefs were making about 50-60 million profit per year. I believe the league profit sharing breakdown ensures that each team makes at least 35 million profit.

also that the chiefs were worth about 900 million

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12319788)

Meanwhile the Cowboys made 239 million in profit and are worth 4 billion

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 12320492)

Meanwhile the Cowboys made 239 million in profit and are worth 4 billion

Then root for the Cowboys.

You won't be missed.

Good riddance, again, houstonwhodat.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/07/16/m...r-goodell-nfl#

Little insight on what happened. I didn't know the franchise tag had changed in how it's formulated

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12320984)

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/07/16/m...r-goodell-nfl#

Little insight on what happened. I didn't know the franchise tag had changed in how it's formulated

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Eric Berry and franchise tag thoughts
Deadlines drive action in the NFL, but there wasn’t much driving being done Friday, when the deadline came and went for signing franchise-tagged players to long-term deals.

Last year, all of the tagged players except Jason Pierre-Paul (for obvious reasons) got multi-year contracts. This year, Chiefs safety Eric Berry, Rams cornerback Trumaine Johnson, Bears receiver Alshon Jeffery and Washington quarterback Kirk Cousins will spend 2016 under one-year contracts.
The lack of deals flows largely from the revised formula for determining the franchise tag. No longer determined by averaging the cap numbers of the five highest-paid players at the position in the prior year, the franchise tag is now calculated by taking the tag amounts at a given position for the past five years, adding them together, and dividing the sum by the total combined salary caps for the last five years. The resulting percentage is then applied to the current year’s salary cap.

In English, this means the tag for each position has settled on a specific percentage that has essentially locked into place. As the cap goes up, the franchise tag will go up, regardless of what the market does.
That’s why, for example, Chiefs safety Eric Berry will make $10.8 million this year—an amount more than any other safety will earn in 2016 on a multi-year deal. Over the last five years, the franchise tag for safeties has accounted for 6.95 percent of the salary cap. The market at the position hasn’t kept.

That’s also why the Chiefs and Berry didn’t work out a new contract; with $10.8 million in the bank for 2016 and, by rule, a 20-percent raise next year if the Chiefs tag him again (i.e., $12.96 million), Berry had no reason to accept anything less than the sum of his 2016 and 2017 tag amounts as fully-guaranteed payments at signing. Given the league-wide market at the position, the Chiefs felt no compulsion to give Berry $23.76 million fully-guaranteed at signing.

As a result, Berry will play this year under the tag. Next year, the Chiefs will tag him at $12.96 million (less likely) or let the actual safety market determine his value (more likely).

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12320984)

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/07/16/m...r-goodell-nfl#

Little insight on what happened. I didn't know the franchise tag had changed in how it's formulated

Very interesting... click on that link.

But, below is the key point..

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The lack of deals flows largely from the revised formula for determining the franchise tag. No longer determined by averaging the cap numbers of the five highest-paid players at the position in the prior year, the franchise tag is now calculated by taking the tag amounts at a given position for the past five years, adding them together, and dividing the sum by the total combined salary caps for the last five years. The resulting percentage is then applied to the current year’s salary cap.

In English, this means the tag for each position has settled on a specific percentage that has essentially locked into place. As the cap goes up, the franchise tag will go up, regardless of what the market does.

That’s why, for example, Chiefs safety Eric Berry will make $10.8 million this year—an amount more than any other safety will earn in 2016 on a multi-year deal. Over the last five years, the franchise tag for safeties has accounted for 6.95 percent of the salary cap. The market at the position hasn’t kept.

After reading that, I get why both sides are where they are. Seems like a flaw in the system

2016 franchise tag, a glitch in the matrix

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12321018)

After reading that, I get why both sides are where they are. Seems like a flaw in the system

And that's just the starting point.

He and his agent knew that if he was Franchised two years in a row, he'd earn close to $24 million. So the parameters for Guaranteed Money started at $35 million.

Yet completely reeruned dipshits on the internet (including Sam Mellinger, who's quickly deteriorating into a garbage columnist) think the Chiefs erred.

He's a moron.

so Berrys starting point was at least

year 1: 10.8
year 2. 12.9

so he wanted 23 million over two years based on the fact he would get franchised tagged twice at that amount

That's a lot of coin for a safety.

He still hasn't signed it.

He's still not guaranteed a ****ing thing.

Unless we lose it for some period of time (or are simply prohibited from doing it), I'd still rescind it.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12321048)

He still hasn't signed it.

He's still not guaranteed a ****ing thing.

Unless we lose it for some period of time (or are simply prohibited from doing it), I'd still rescind it.

At this point, it would have been smarter to target a safety in free agency and let him walk.

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12321050)

At this point, it would have been smarter to target a safety in free agency and let him walk.

I just feel like we've proven that this team can play without him.

Parker at single high and some combination of Fleming/Brown playing Abdullah's role. It worked.

The whole "we look forward to negotiating with him in the off-season" thing is obviously bullshit. He's going to be a year older and with one more year of leverage. He'll have been given another massive single-year salary. If the Chiefs had any interest in giving him the salary he's going to demand next year, they'd have just rolled it into their deal this year.

This isn't like Houston's situation where they weren't entirely sure what they had just yet. What they got out of Berry last year is peak Berry. They know what he is and anything else is actually downside. Houston still had baked in upside and it was to the benefit of both parties to see if he'd reach it before they entered into a long-term arrangement.

Berry is this. He's not going to be better than he was and his decline years are going to start soon enough. If the Chiefs didn't feel he was worth that long-term investment now, they never will.

And if the tag isn't going to be used to create a long-term deal, then it shouldn't be used.

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12321050)

At this point, it would have been smarter to target a safety in free agency and let him walk.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12321048)

He still hasn't signed it.

He's still not guaranteed a ****ing thing.

Unless we lose it for some period of time (or are simply prohibited from doing it), I'd still rescind it.

It appears as if there was a failure of communication by one or both parties.

Had the Chiefs known that Berry wanted $35 million guaranteed, I would *think* that they would have kept Tyvon Branch at $5 million per and either traded Berry or allowed him to become a free agent, as well as drafting a replacement.

Something isn't adding up, unless it was a gigantic PR move on the Chiefs side. "Hey, we tried".